Rancher +Militia vs BLM,trouble on the range.(OT)

Bruce-

An internet forum is where people are supposed to have a reasonable discourse, a standard sadly lacking much of the time. You however, are trying to turn it into a courtroom with you as the prosecutor and people who have different experiences and views as the accused in the witness box. That's why people are annoyed with you. Don't think that because we don't call you out on it, that we don't observe your smug self righteousness. You are as draped in the Canadian flag as any American militia is in the U.S. flag. I know because I visit family there frequently and I have been subjected to your tactics many times.

This is the future plan they have for National Forest and BLM lands (Agenda 21, etc).

he had "threatened a Federal officer," was the charge

Eventually there comes a tipping point and we're approaching that. The frogs are starting to boil.

The exchange was heated, and Mr. Cross informed the BLM that if they ever did something that stupid again he would shoot them.

the citizens were armed for self defense to avoid another Waco or Ruby Ridge.[/quote
Let's tease that one out a bit.
At Waco, they were given EVERY opportunity to surrender. They were abusing children. The Feds let it get out of control on both sides.
Ruby Ridge was a Fed fkkk up plain and simple. However, the Feds had been trying to negotiate Randy Weaver's surrender (on firearms charges) from Mar until Oct 1991 when the firefight broke out. Weaver had plenty of chances to avoid conflict. He even had a court appointed attorney but Weaver wouldn't meet with him. ATF made a lot of administrative mistakes that might have avoided the shootout. But like Bundy, Weaver had every opportunity for due process.

At the Waco disaster, there is plenty of blame to go around on both sides. However, the (Republican Senator) Danforth report, November 2000 (commissioned by Atty Gen. Janet Reno) debunks most of the sensationalist claims of FBI violence.
The report does call into question a lot of the tactics of the FBI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Siege

At Ruby Ridge the agents were hidden in the woods and shot first (killing Weaver's dog). Then Weaver's buddy shot and killed an FBI agent. It all went to pieces after that.
At Bunkerville the Feds were out in the open and didn't shoot.

At Waco the siege went on for 51 days. The Branch Davidians were never going to surrender and they had a large number of children inside. They had an arsenal of heavy weaponry ...AK47s, AR15s modified for auto fire, 50 cal rifles and much more. 1.9 million rounds of ammo. Rifle grenades, bullet proof vests.

There are no meaningful comparisons between Bunkerville and Ruby Ridge-Waco (which were indeed human tragedies) except the "victims" refused the lawful authority of the United States.....for extended periods of time.
Not a shot was fired at Bunkerville. Given Bundy and his "militia" persistently refused the authority of the United States and the history of Ruby Ridge and Waco the Federal agents were right to be armed.
So the Feds have learned something over the past 20 years. They're not ENTIRELY stupid. They WILL get their man, just not this week.
(Is it entirely a coincidence that Bundy stopped paying his fees shortly after Ruby Ridge?)