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healyje
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Portland, Oregon
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Jan 15, 2013 - 02:23am PT
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All the drama is ridiculous - they all doped and the sport is completely corrupt. And 'fix' it? You might as well try to clean up NFL and NBA betting in Chicago's corner bars - ain't going happen.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jan 15, 2013 - 07:32am PT
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Lance going down on Oprah...? Uuggh...
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Jan 15, 2013 - 10:10am PT
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The UCI is probably going down too (though not on Oprah).
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Jan 15, 2013 - 10:53am PT
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He's lying! He would never dope!
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Jan 15, 2013 - 11:32am PT
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Just heard a sound bite of Oprah on Npr, on the way to work, where she said ,to paraphrase, Lance did not come clean like I expected.
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bpter
Social climber
Somewhere
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Jan 15, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
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o here are some of the questions we hope Oprah asked Lance:
1. Why now, Lance? Is it because in one potential perjury case the statute of limitations has passed? Is it because you've already lost almost all your sponsors, had to step back from your foundation and are no longer getting the attention you once earned?
Did you have to lose nearly everything until you sought the only possible out? And at this point, why are you worth listening to at all?
2. Why are you doing this with me, Oprah Winfrey? I'm not known for my cycling knowledge or for pointed follow-up questions or my investigative journalistic skills. In fact, it's the opposite.
Wouldn't sitting down with Scott Pelley at "60 Minutes" have been a more legitimate forum? How about the Sunday Times of London, which you sued for libel for printing the truth? Or any of the French or American media that you bashed all along when in fact they weren't wrong at all?
You always fashioned yourself as a tough guy, Lance. You beat cancer for crying out loud, why go soft now?
3. Let's talk Betsy Andreu, the wife of one your former teammates, Frankie. Both Andreus testified under oath that they were in a hospital room in 1996 when you admitted to a doctor to using EPO, HGH and steroids. You responded by calling them "vindictive, bitter, vengeful and jealous." And that's the stuff we can say on TV. Would you now label them as "honest?"
And what would you say directly to Betsy, who dealt with a voicemail from one of your henchmen that included, she's testified, this:
"I hope somebody breaks a baseball bat over your head. I also hope that one day you have adversity in your life and you have some type of tragedy that will … definitely make an impact on you."
When you heard about that voicemail, why didn't you call Betsy and apologize then?
4. By the way, did you take performance-enhancing drugs prior to your diagnosis of testicular cancer, as Betsy Andreu, who I now have every single reason to believe, says you admitted to doing? Do you think it played a role in your diagnosis?
And while the reason you contracted cancer does nothing to diminish the intensity of your battle, or the great example of strength it provided, don't you think it would've been an essential part of your public campaign against the disease to mention that you used performance-enhancing drugs?
5. Just to get it on the record, because the way things are going I'm pretty sure this will come out at a later date, did you or your minions ever pressure federal authorities to stall out investigations into your doping?
Now, you wouldn't lie to me, right Lance?
6. What do you say to Emma O'Reilly, who was a young Dublin native when she was first hired by the U.S. Postal team to give massages to the riders after races?
In the early 2000s, she told stories of rampant doping and how she was used to transport the drugs across international borders. In the USADA report, she testified that you tried to "make my life hell."
Her story was true, Lance, wasn't it? And you knew it was true. Yet despite knowing it was true, you, a famous multimillionaire superstar, used high-priced lawyers to sue this simple woman for more money than she was worth in England, where slander laws favor the famous. She had no chance to fight it.
She testified that you tried to ruin her by spreading word that she was a prostitute with a heavy drinking problem.
"The traumatizing part," she once told the New York Times, "was dealing with telling the truth."
Do you want to apologize to her? Not in general. I mean directly and by name. I mean, Lance, of all the people to attack like that, of all the people you had power and wealth over, you had to go after her? How Lance, could you do this to someone, and why would anyone want to believe again in someone capable of doing this to someone?
7. In 2011, former teammate Tyler Hamilton spoke about you and doping on "60 Minutes." He later said you two ran into each other in a Colorado restaurant where he says you tried to intimidate him, saying, "I'm going to make your life a living hell both in the courtroom and out of the courtroom."
Yet you knew he was telling the truth, right Lance? So why threaten him?
8. Greg LeMond, a three-time Tour de France champion, once raised the following hypothetical question: "If Lance's story is true, it's the greatest comeback in the history of sport. If it's not, it's the greatest fraud."
The allegation is that you heard that and decided to use your influence with Trek bikes to drop its association with LeMond's brand. The company even went to court to end a long-term contract. "Greg's public comments hurt the LeMond brand and the Trek brand," a company official said at the time.
What comment? Wondering about something that was true?
The move cost LeMond millions. Did you try to ruin him financially simply for spite?
9. We've just scratched the surface on people you pushed around. There are more victims in your wake. Do you want me to continue with the others?
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/questions-oprah-should-ask-lance-armstrong-230849439.html;_ylt=Ao1lB44.tVD8JExRa_YvRzY5nYcB;_ylu=
That is what this deal is all about. The financial agony, defamation of character and total disrespect that Lance put on all those around him that did not go along with his plan.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 15, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
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Whoa, my give-a-shit meter just dropped way below zero!!
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Jan 15, 2013 - 12:39pm PT
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It's probably not in his nature to admit defeat. People who win that much, even with doping, have a certain drive that would be hard to overcome.
Heck, look at what happens on this forum when people get a bit competitive!
Dave
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 15, 2013 - 12:42pm PT
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This isn't about YOU survival nor any of you here on this forum.
Whether you give a sh!t or not does not matter one iota.
This is about this total POS aszhole who worked so hard to destroy anyone that got in his way for his own financial gain .....
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Jan 15, 2013 - 01:33pm PT
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At least the top 20 riders on the tour are ALL doping. They have teams whose job it is to make sure they don't get busted. They all lie. It is pathetic that so many people sit around and watch other people on drugs ride their god damn bikes. Do your own drugs, ride your own bikes. Regardless, I love my pathetic friends :)
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 15, 2013 - 01:40pm PT
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This is about this total POS aszhole who worked so hard to destroy anyone that got in his way for his own financial gain .....
Like Getty, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, Weyerhaeuser, Ford, Walton, Cruise,
etc etc etc?
And what's that got to do with YOU swami?
Think hard, give-a-shit meter still below zero.....
Stupid Americans.
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bpter
Social climber
Somewhere
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Jan 15, 2013 - 01:44pm PT
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At least the top 20 riders on the tour are ALL doping.
They sure did.
But not one of those riders imposed the financial agony, personal defamation of character agenda and turmoil on all those that got in their way of fame and fortune in building their personal empire as did Lance Armstrong in the past 16 plus years.
This one really strikes me as truly sad and morally pathetic. I really hope that she goes after him for all that he has and puts him out to lunch.
6. What do you say to Emma O'Reilly, who was a young Dublin native when she was first hired by the U.S. Postal team to give massages to the riders after races?
In the early 2000s, she told stories of rampant doping and how she was used to transport the drugs across international borders. In the USADA report, she testified that you tried to "make my life hell."
Her story was true, Lance, wasn't it? And you knew it was true. Yet despite knowing it was true, you, a famous multimillionaire superstar, used high-priced lawyers to sue this simple woman for more money than she was worth in England, where slander laws favor the famous. She had no chance to fight it.
She testified that you tried to ruin her by spreading word that she was a prostitute with a heavy drinking problem.
"The traumatizing part," she once told the New York Times, "was dealing with telling the truth."
Do you want to apologize to her? Not in general. I mean directly and by name. I mean, Lance, of all the people to attack like that, of all the people you had power and wealth over, you had to go after her? How Lance, could you do this to someone, and why would anyone want to believe again in someone capable of doing this to someone? http://sports.yahoo.com/news/questions-oprah-should-ask-lance-armstrong-230849439.html;_ylt=Ao1lB44.tVD8JExRa_YvRzY5nYcB;_ylu=
Like Getty, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, Weyerhaeuser, Ford, Walton, Cruise, etc etc etc?
So it is OK with you "SURVIVAL" to completely fk over anyone that gets in your way of success.
Got it!
More like morally pathetic self-centered Americans.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 15, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
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No, it's not ok "BPTER"!!
But why is Lancey boy worth more attention than all the other rich as#@&%es in the world?
Oh, ok, got it.
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 15, 2013 - 02:05pm PT
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Yes stupid Americans
The year 2012 consisted of a continuous sequence of destructive acts by Congress and the White House.
In a final destructive act, the Senate passed the National Defense Authorization Act for 2013.
This act continues the unconstitutional grant of power to the executive branch to violate all rights of US citizens.
In the US laws cannot take precedence over the Constitution.
Yet, we now have successive National Defense Authorization Acts that render the Bill of Rights moot.
There is no public uproar over the idea that national defense requires that US citizens lose the protection of law that is granted by the US Constitution.
When citizens stand defenseless before their own government, what national defense do they have?
The obvious conclusion is that most Americans are indifferent to liberty and are content with tyranny.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 15, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
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That's only the beginning of the stupidity!
If Americans stick to their eating and exercise habits, future historians will look back on the early 21st century as a golden age of svelte.
Using a model of population and other trends, a new report released on Tuesday by the Trust for America's Health and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation projects that half of U.S. adults will be obese by 2030 unless Americans change their ways.
The "F as in Fat" report highlights the current glum picture of the U.S. obesity epidemic, in which 35.7 percent of adults and 16.9 percent of children age 2 to 19 are obese, as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported earlier this year.
But for the first time, the report builds on state-by-state data from the CDC to project obesity rates. In every state, that rate will reach at least 44 percent by 2030. In 13, that number would exceed 60 percent.
Obesity raises the risk of numerous diseases, from type 2 diabetes to endometrial cancer, meaning more sick people and higher medical costs in the future, the report said.
It projects as many as 7.9 million new cases of diabetes a year, compared with 1.9 million new cases in recent years. There could also be 6.8 million new cases of chronic heart disease and stroke every year, compared with 1.3 million new cases a year now.
The increasing burden of illness will go right to the bottom line, adding $66 billion in annual obesity-related medical costs over and above today's $147 billion to $210 billion. Total U.S. healthcare spending is estimated at $2.7 trillion.
That projection supports a study published earlier this year in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine that found that by 2030, 42 percent of U.S. adults could be obese, adding $550 billion to healthcare costs over that period.
'A TALE OF TWO FUTURES'
As with all projections, from climate models to Charles Dickens' "A Christmas Carol," human actions can prevent the worst of the scenarios, according to health policy experts.
"This is a tale of two futures," said Jeffrey Levi of George Washington University and the executive director of Trust for America's Health. "We're at a turning point where if we don't do something now to mitigate these trends, the cost in human health and healthcare spending will be enormous."
Obesity is defined as having a body mass index (BMI) above 30. Overweight means a BMI of 25 to 29.9. BMI is calculated by taking weight in pounds and dividing it by the square of height in inches, and multiplying the result by 703. For instance, someone who is 5 feet, 5 inches tall and weighs 185 pounds (84 kg) has a BMI of 30.8.
Obesity rates among U.S. adults have more than doubled from the 15 percent of 1980. In that same time, they have more than tripled among children.
Since the CDC found that the percentage of obese children and adults was essentially unchanged between 2008 and 2010, some experts question whether the "F as in Fat" model overstates future obesity by assuming past trends continue in a straight line.
"This is a strong assumption," said economist Justin Trogdon of RTI International in North Carolina. "Recent evidence from other surveys suggest obesity rates may be leveling off."
Mathematician Martin Brown of Britain's National Heart Forum, a nonprofit group, who led development of the model, said it takes a longer view by design.
"You have to take trends over a number of years," he said. "In the age groups that matter, there just isn't much evidence of a leveling off in obesity rates."
EDUCATION AND INCOME
Obesity has long been associated with education and income. The report found that about one-third of adults without a high school diploma were obese, compared with about one-fifth of those who graduated from college or technical college.
And one-third of adults who earn less than $15,000 per year are obese, compared to one-quarter of those who earned $50,000 or more per year. The obesity-poverty connection reflects such facts that calorie-dense foods are cheap and that poor neighborhoods have fewer playgrounds, sidewalks and other amenities that encourage exercise.
As a result, many states projected to have the most obesity in 2030 do now, too. In 2011, 12 states had an adult-obesity rate above 30 percent, with Mississippi the highest at 34.9 percent. Colorado was the lowest at 20.7 percent.
The report projects that in 2030 in Mississippi, 66.7 percent of adults will be obese, as will 44.8 percent in Colorado, which will still be the thinnest state.
More surprising are projections for states such as Delaware, now ranked 19 for obesity with a rate of 28.8 percent. The model uses 1999 as a baseline, explained Brown. "So if a state had a low rate of obesity in 1999 and is fairly high now, that indicates a steep rate of increase, which we believe will not go away." Result: an obesity rate of 64.7 percent in Delaware in 2030, making it the third-most obese state.
States facing the greatest percentage increase in obesity-related medical costs are now in the middle of the pack.
New Jersey faces the largest increase in costs, 34.5 percent, as its obesity rate is projected to climb from 23.7 percent today to 48.6 percent in 2030. Eight other states could see increases of 20 percent and 30 percent, including New Hampshire, Colorado and Alaska.
Trust for America's Health sees room to change that trajectory with the right interventions.
"We have learned that with a concerted effort you can change the culture of a community, including its level of physical activity, eating habits, what foods are offered in schools, and whether families eat together," said Levi.
In New York City, for instance, obesity for elementary and middle-school students dropped 5.5 percent from the 2006-07 school year to 2010-11, thanks mostly to healthier school lunches, public health experts said.
"A lot of this is about making healthy choices easier and not mandating healthier lifestyles," Levi said.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jan 15, 2013 - 02:57pm PT
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I wonder how many of the "Lance should be destroyed" crowd will be glued to their television sets this weekend, watching enthralled as a couple of hundred juiced up monsters vie for the right to play in the Super Bowl?
If LA deserves to be prosecuted and punished for using performance enhancing drugs as an athlete, why do American football players get a free pass?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 15, 2013 - 03:05pm PT
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why do American football players get a free pass?
You wouldn't understand, because you speak Canada.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jan 15, 2013 - 03:11pm PT
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Oh yeah? Well fuk off, eh. Ya hoser.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 15, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
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(American) "All Canadian women are hookers or hockey players."
(Canadian) "Hey mutherf*%$er, my wife is Canadian"
(American) "Oh yeah, who's she play for?"
*Told to me by a DEA agent/ex-minor league hockey player who ended up with a black eye and a missing tooth!
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