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Crimpergirl
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Boulder, Colorado!
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Oct 16, 2011 - 01:49pm PT
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I did consider it, Callie. Really. That was when I was 40.
Maybe some of the younger unemployed from OWS should inquire, huh?
And those that say Cain isn't the brightest bulb, how about Newt. Clearly the smartest and most savvy up there. Is he good?
Bottom line is that you people are looking for another fancy-talking lawyer to run the f*#king country. I say, NO!
A lot of govt agencies have age requirements. I'm too old for all of them and have been for some time. I understand why the reqts exist, but many are absolutely struggling to get bodies. Maybe that will change in time.
I know that many of the OWS are unemployed. Same as many of the Tea partiers. But all are not. I know many people engaged in both movements who have jobs. And maybe some from both crowds should apply. But I seriously think that many people have such an anti-government attitude they would never resort to working for them. That is too bad.
As far as Newt. I haven't given him much consideration because I think his personal life will prevent him from ever being elected. Do I think reality like that is good? No. But it is the reality.
I've heard no one say they want a lawyer specifically as a president. Thought the general public hated lawyers...well until they need one. Interestingly, many of our presidents have been lawyers. Obama is hardly the first, and likely will not be the last.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0768854.html
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malabarista
Trad climber
Portland, OR
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Oct 16, 2011 - 02:01pm PT
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Time for a revolution. I hope the protest movement grows, and turns all these institutions on their heads. Time for the new.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Oct 16, 2011 - 02:02pm PT
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Crimpie: another great link
A few notable lawyers to consider:
John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams.
Abraham Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Truman (a judge), Nixon, Ford, Clinton, Obama.
A few notable Senators/Congressmen:
Madison, Monroe, Adams, Andrew Jackson, Lincoln, Truman, Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Bush I, Obama
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Oct 16, 2011 - 02:08pm PT
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Another notable lawyer: Rick Accamazzo. :)
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 16, 2011 - 02:13pm PT
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As far as Newt. I haven't given him much consideration because I think his personal life will prevent him from ever being elected. Do I think reality like that is good? No. But it is the reality.
I agree. He's probably the most qualified, yet "unelectable". Cain is the best man for our current times, but is unelectable.
So we'll get more milktoast crap...again. Wake up! You want real change???
Do you?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 16, 2011 - 02:16pm PT
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Cain/Gingrich 2012!!!!
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Oct 16, 2011 - 02:18pm PT
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sure they signed on the dotted line. And sure, some were in way over their head, or buying too much house. But others were just trapped by the times. Encouraged by the system to keeping buying, when the system was corrupt. Some of us saw it coming, but most didn't, and you blame them for the collapse.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Oct 16, 2011 - 02:19pm PT
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fattrad
The only reason to get rid of Obama is that he attempts to make things worse with short term "fixes". First of all he attempts to make things better, and a large number of economists agree his proposals are largely on the right track for the short term. You're implying he doesn't give a sh#t and that he's trying wacko economics. That's flagrant nonsense.
Secondly, when the boat is sinking, the first problem is to keep the boat afloat.
At All Costs. A "short term fix" to keep you afloat.
If you'd ever been in a sinking boat, either floating on water or your own economic boat, you'd understand that fundamental principle.
Keep The Bloody Boat Afloat.
Or go down like the Titanic.
I'm keeping my unemployed boat afloat by cutting back my expenses as much as possible and drawing down my retirement funds. That have lost 25% of their value in the past 3 months thanks to the demagogic Congressional Republicans, particularly your pal Kantor. Might have to put my house up for sale, which has lost a lot of market value since 2008.
Or do you have any better ideas? Got a decent paying job for me? I'll be glad to take it. Hell, I'll even commute out to Ritzville to mow your lawn and clean your pool if you'll cover my health insurance and leave some left over for food and gas money.
There's nothing wrong with a "short term fix" right now. And I think you'd find very few Americans, including Obama, who don't want to improve things in the long term. All Kantor and Mitchell give a damn about is winning the next election. Screw the good of the country. I left Boehner out because even though I think he's an idiot (he's publicly stated he's a global warming denier), I do believe he really wants a solution. I could be wrong, he could be as venal as Mitchell and Kantor.
How long can this country survive with 9% unemployment? How will you get us back to work NOW? Answer that.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Oct 16, 2011 - 02:23pm PT
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so the 95% deserve to drown. Because they were seduced by the Wizards of Oz?
Those smart (they must be because they have MBA's from Harvard, Wharton and Stanford), honest (aren't all bankers?) and regulated (we trust the government to protect us from swindlers) investment bankers. You mean we couldn't trust them with our money and our mutual fund investments? You mean they were screwing us?
WOW
and ONE of them (Rajaratman) is finally, now, 3 years after swindling $64 million, going to jail. Oh, he went to Wharton and was swindling for 7 years at Galleon. While awaiting trial he was under "house arrest" at his estate. Sentenced to 11 years in prison.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-11/rajaratnam-is-found-guilty-of-all-counts-in-galleon-insider-trading-trial.html
Oh dear, I didn't mention Madoff: $18 BILLION (with a B). But I'm not too bothered, his clients were (mostly) rich and connected. The 1%.
So when the 1% get screwed, they JUMP on the swindler, toss him in prison pending trial, and sentence him to 150 years.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Oct 16, 2011 - 02:24pm PT
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Many on the streets for OWS are just as guilty as the bankers.
Thank you for finally admitting that there is corruption in our banking system. Something that the OWS are demonstrating about. Thank you for admitting that the demonstrators frustration has a basis in reality.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 16, 2011 - 02:31pm PT
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so the 95% deserve to drown. Because they were seduced by the Wizards of Oz?
This is a statistical fallacy. Am I the 5%? I ain't rich, don't have a house, yet managepretty well. This 99 or 95 stuff is utter bullshit!
Most Americans are fine. Some. Some could use better jobs. But don't blame that on banks. Blame it on gov't and Obama and Bush and Clinton.
Their jobs went overseas. We don't need anymore PhD's in Women's Studies or Black Studies.
We need to get back to work.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Oct 16, 2011 - 02:32pm PT
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So we'll get more milktoast crap...again. Wake up! You want real change???
As a long time member of the cynical political party, I don't expect to see much change regardless of who is president. They are but one person in a complex machinery that has interests different from the public's interests.
People in power pass policies to retain and ensure their power. It's as simple as that. They say what has to be said and do what has to be done to achieve that, their primary goal. If someone else benefits as a latent consequence, so be it, but don't mistake it for doing something for us little people.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Oct 16, 2011 - 02:32pm PT
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deleted.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Oct 16, 2011 - 02:40pm PT
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You think Cheney is a good guy.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 16, 2011 - 02:41pm PT
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As a long time member of the cynical political party, I don't expect to see much change regardless of who is president. They are but one person in a complex machinery that has interests different from the public's interests.
People in power pass policies to retain and ensure their power. It's as simple as that. They say what has to be said and do what has to be done to achieve that, their primary goal. If someone else benefits as a latent consequence, so be it, but don't mistake it for doing something for us little people.
I tend to agree with your sentiment, mostly.
This is why I'm on the Cain Train. I feel that he is different. In a good way.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Oct 16, 2011 - 02:42pm PT
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Do you know how many Ph.D.s were awarded in women's studies or black studies in 2009 (the most recent year for which there is data)?
Here is a link to the statistical abstract where you can find that info...sort of. Why is it hard to discern? Because all the Ph.D.s in these often-discussed areas are probably (but can't be sure) found under "Social Science and History". In 2009, there were a total of just under 20k Ph.D.s awarded in Social Science and History.
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0303.pdf
BTW: Social science encompasses different disciplines at different campuses. It often includes economics, sociology, criminology, and history.
Now, there are about 320,000,000 people in the USA right now. This means that in 2009, 0.00625% of the population got a Ph.D. in Social Science and History.
Can you name one university that offers a Women's studies Ph.D.? Not saying it doesn't exist, but I don't know of one. We don't have it at CU Denver. CU Boulder (a liberal strong hold some say) doesn't either.
At CU Boulder there is the Women and Gender Studies (WGST) Program that offers an undergraduate bachelor of arts degree and a minor, as well as a *graduate certificate* for students enrolled in another disciplinary master's or doctoral degree program.
No Women's Studies Ph.D. there either. Where are these degrees coming from?
And Black Studies too? Where are these? There is a Department of Ethnic Studies at CU Boulder, but no Black Studies.
Maybe the economic problems in the nation are found somewhere else?
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Oct 16, 2011 - 02:44pm PT
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Thanks for your answers Bluey and Lois. As I suspected you are both incapable of thinking outside of the box. Your statements portray all OWS as dirty slackers wanting a handout and all Tea Partiers as grass roots saints. The truth is there are good and bad people in both movements. You both claim to know what the other 'side' wants and their motivations so you can pick the most rediculous left wing examples so you can ignore anything you don't agree with.
Lois of course your worldview informs your thinking, but for you it seems that's it, you can't expand beyone that. You and Bluey should think what things are like for other people. Not only does it make you a better person but then you'll truly be able to understand your fellow man. It's much easier to come up with pragmatic solutions and compromise when you don't assume different people are evil and lazy.
Oh and they idea of the current trend continuing means we will end up like things at the turn of the century when the Standard Oil monopoly was screwing up the entire economy. But you both can't figure that out or are ok with it I guess.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 16, 2011 - 02:47pm PT
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Callie, I was making a point. That people pursue degrees that have no demand in the real world.
Get a job!
These kids today don't pursue fields that are actually employable, except for....professors in colleges. How many of those jobs are available?
People need to seek education that has employment in demand. It's really nice to 'follow your dream' in education, but are you going to be employable?
Ya know?
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Oct 16, 2011 - 02:52pm PT
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I disagree Fatty. Political Science literature is clear about what are the major predictors of party ID. Among the strongest - parental Party ID. (This is not to suggest social scientists like political scientists have this all figured out, it remains an active area of inquiry).
Yeah, yeah, everyone knows someone who is a different party than their parent (or maybe they are), but when one looks at the population in general, that is it. Ideology often matters. And income.
There is a term in political science called the 'unsophisticated electorate.' It refers to the well-established finding that individuals in the public have a terrible understanding of policies and politicians. Most cannot identify their Senator's name. Or understands how a budget works. Or can accurately name some rights enumerated in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
I don't think it's because we are stupid (as some believe). But more a function of it not having been a priority.
This is why media can be powerful. BUT the media is not a conveyor of ideas...the era of "broadcasting" is long gone. Media now engages in 'narrowcasting' or singing-to-the-choir in colloquial terms.
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John Moosie
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Beautiful California
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Oct 16, 2011 - 02:53pm PT
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That people pursue degrees that have no demand in the real world.
And Callie's point was that this group makes up a very very very small percentage of all the degrees out there.
Jaybro is a teacher. Many many teachers are out of work right now. Did they make a mistake? Or has the system gone completely whacky? My contention is that the system has gone completely whacky thanks to corruption at many levels of our society.
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