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lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
May 24, 2010 - 07:31pm PT
Funny now that I think about it. I was on a Technical subcommittee 20 years ago with ACI SP-125 Lunar Concrete, we call it by a different name now, but when ideas were being thrown around for the structures to be design/built: Bechtel, I know was there, few others and myself but remember this US Air Force dud giving his speech about some of the specifications that needed to be addressed. One of them was a secured room or section had to be made and cornered off in the case of someone in a mental condition that would be a danger to the other crew members and equipment in case someone went Looney. We all agreed.

Now I know why.


He was a teacher as well sure no connection
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 24, 2010 - 07:50pm PT
Rokjox,

That is some weird and bizarre story. I didn't know of that story before. Really strange.


Obama to Disclose X-Files on Anti-Gravity Technology?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjAVCYNdPi4

Gets into the Biefeld-Brown effect also . . .

I haven't sent in my letter, but what the heck? I doubt they will comply. They will only comply when they want to. But I will send mine in also.

White House: Oh, yea just stack it over there with all the others . . . we are gonna mulch them and turn them into compost for our WH organic garden.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 24, 2010 - 07:59pm PT
Another moment of reflection and peace, to quiet the storms of . . .

doubt, false witnesses, and debunkers (professional or amatuer alike).


Hair - Aquarius
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhbxI5eVnM4

Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 24, 2010 - 08:12pm PT
SHUTTLE ALIEN




Artistic Recreation of Extraterrestrial Visiting Space Shuttle released by former Space Craft Operator
http://www.exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-77.htm


Clark McClelland is a former Space Craft Operator with NASA who recently revealed that he witnessed an extraterrestrial interacting with two astronauts during a Space Shuttle mission. He has just released an artist's recreation of what he witnessed together with the following statement:

To all who have faith in ME, I present you with this artists concept of what I saw many years ago at KSC. It was a tall creature, about 8 to 9 feet tall. It had a humanoid body shape with two arms, two hands, two legs, two feet, a slim torso and a normal size head for its size. The color of its skin I could not determine. It appeared to have two what appeared to be eyes, but it was not detailed enough for any other comments.

How did it communicate? I have no idea. It did move its arms a lot. Almost like giving instructions! I heard no voice communications. The helmet was not as large as our two NASA Astronauts, and had a viewport to look forward. It had a small, perhaps a communication device, attached only to the right side of the helmet!

I saw no oxygen tank(s). It had a wide belt like wrapping around it.. It did not appear to be tethered as the two Astronauts were to the sides of the shuttle structure. I observed nothing that appeared to be a weapon. The time of this amazing scene was one minute and seven seconds, I timed it on my Astronaut chronograph watch.


As the graphic makes clear, this was not simply a third astronaut since no publicly known astronaut has been anywhere near as tall as the eight to nine foot being depicted. The size strongly suggests that the being between the two tethered astronauts was an extraterrestrial.

Significantly, the delta winged vehicle depicted behind the Space Shuttle does not correspond to any publicly known space vehicle. The left hand side of the leading edge of the mysterious delta winged vehicle appears to have an electromagnetic haze around it. This indicates some kind of antigravity propulsion system using the Biefeld-Brown effect.

According to Dr Paul La Violette, the B-2 bomber also has an electromagnetic haze around the leading edge when in flight due to the positive ions being generated by the antigravity technology to produce an ion sheath as evidenced in the photo of the B-2. This is a distinguishing feature of the Biefeld-Brown Effect which uses the principle of capacitors stored with tremendous electrostatic charges to generate an anti-gravity effect. The question that arises is whether the craft behind the Space Shuttle belongs to an extraterrestrial civilization or to secret fleet of antigravity space vehicles.

There has been much speculation about a secret Aurora space craft that allegedly uses antigravity principles. In his book, The Hunt for Zero Point, Jane's Defense Weekly analyst Nick Cook writes about the Aurora: "there has been speculation since the late 1980s about the existence of a secret replacement for the Blackbird, a mythical plane called the Aurora that supposedly flew twice as fast and on the edges of space" (p. 14). Other whistleblowers such as Edgar Fouche, a former contractor with the Department of Defense, have come forward to claim that the Blackbird's [or SR-71] replacement, the Aurora actually comprises two types of hypersonic aircraft used for space flight. He said: "The Aurora comprises the SR-75 capable of speeds above Mach 5, and acts as a mother ship for the SR-74 that can travel at speeds of Mach 18 or more into space to deliver satellites. "

The idea of a secret space fleet using advanced technologies was boosted by a British hacker, Gary McKinnon, who faces extradition to the U.S. for hacking into U.S. government and military computers . McKinnon claims that he came across secret Pentagon and NASA files that contained a list of 'non-terrestrial officers', and a spreadsheet detailing 'fleet-to-fleet transfers'. Could the tall being depicted with the two Space Shuttle astronauts actually belong to a group of "non-terrestrial officers" that periodically give assistance to Space Shuttle programs through the US Air Force's Space Command?

A possible answer to the above question may be found in an unusual award ceremony by NASA that awarded the "Johnson Spaceflight Center Group Achievement Award" to a group of USAF Space Command personnel called the "Human Spaceflight Support Team". The Space Command team was honored for giving: "exceptional support in keeping the Space Shuttle, International Space Station and its crews safe from the dangers of orbital debris, spacecraft collisions and other inherent hazards of orbit operations." . The problem is that Space Command officially only tracks space debris and other hazards and does not have the capacity to do anything more than give warning of possible collisions. However, as researcher Ted Twietmeyer points out: "It's important to note that neither the Space Station nor the Space Shuttle can ever make large orbital corrections. Only small changes or corrections are possible, and can often require more than one orbit to have a noticeable effect." So if only small course corrections can be made to avert space debris or other problems tracked by military satellites and radar, then how can the USAF Space Command give Space Shuttle missions "exceptional support" in dealing with "inherent hazards of orbit operations?" A possible answer is that the USAF Space Command has a secret fleet of antigravity vehicles, like the alleged Aurora, that can give assistance when urgently needed.

It's worth pointing out that Clark McClelland stated that the being "did move its arms a lot. Almost like giving instructions! Was tall being giving the two tethered astronauts assistance in a hazardous situation confronting the Space Shuttle mission? If the delta wing craft witnessed by McClelland was part of the USAF Space Command giving assistance, then the question still remains, does Space Command employ in its secret corps of non-terrestrial officers, eight to nine foot tall personnel? Or did McClelland indeed witness an extraterrestrial being and craft assist a Space Shuttle mission?

McClelland's 34 year service in NASA has resulted in him compiling many awards and testimonials, meetings with a long list of VIPs, scientists, celebrities and politicians concerning NASA missions, McClelland's long interest in UFOs apparently led to his abrupt termination from NASA in 1992, denial of his retirement benefits, and an ongoing legal effort to restore these. Did NASA take preemptive action to discredit McClelland by sacking him prior to his retirement, and denying him benefits since he had seen and knew too much about secret NASA operations? Clark McClelland's testimony cannot be glibly dismissed as a fiction concocted by a disgruntled former Space Craft Operator. His revelations are first hand testimony of secret NASA operations involving possible extraterrestrial life and advanced spacecraft technologies that have yet to be disclosed to the American public.




Michael E. Salla, Ph.D
Kona, Hawaii
08/05/08
http://www.Exopolitics.Org




healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 24, 2010 - 08:27pm PT
WBraun: Your guessing and speculating again.

Oh, so now you're saying there are no people and aliens climbing 5.18? Are you saying there are no 5.18 climbs in the Valley (right...)? No BBEffect shoes? Are you saying YOSAR isn't just a guberment cover for a Shiva Team of black op stealth climbers? What color are your helicopters and ropes again? And all those night rescues? Sure they are...

P.S. Klimmer, you and your ilk give scifi a bad, underserved rep...

lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
May 24, 2010 - 08:49pm PT
That picture of the Russian Wildman.

Hey! Isn't that Jesse Ventura just before he came pro for the World Wrestling Federation? Think it is a picture of him just when he got busted on a DUI in Malibu a few years back.

Have to check records with National Inquirer
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 24, 2010 - 09:11pm PT
Coast to Coast AM - 17 Jan 2010 - Back Engineering ET Craft part 1/7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSzhW3f6NFY

Gordon Novel and his book:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Novel

http://www.jerrypippin.com/UFO_Files_gordon_novel.htm

http://www.gordonnovel.com/





Interesting.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
May 24, 2010 - 09:25pm PT
WBraun

climber
May 24, 2010 - 10:03pm PT
Klimmer has already proved you're all nuts by keeping your leg humping to his thread going ....
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2010 - 09:18am PT
No matter how you want to spin it, these people are not crazy. These people are heros and testifying to the truth of what they know. And they are in positions to know. Many are putting their lives on the line.

What are you debunkers doing (not much), are not in a position to know. It is easy to sit back anonymously and criticize behind a computer on a forum and spew ridicule, doubt, and hate. In fact, it is so easy it is mindless.



http://www.stargate-chronicles.com/home.html




More from former NASA ScO and now whistleblower, . . .

Clark C. McClelland
UFO Researcher, Aerospace Engineer, and NASA ScO, Space Shuttle Fleet
His credentials, testimonials:
http://www.stargate-chronicles.com/credentials.html
http://www.stargate-chronicles.com/testimonials.html
http://www.stargate-chronicles.com/those_who_know.html




http://www.stargate-chronicles.com/thoughts_and_recognition.html
Thoughts and Tribute
The human race is on the threshold of a new millennium, a new age. Our brave Astronauts and Cosmonauts have only just stepped into a realm that will test our intellectual capacities and technological capabilities, and hone them to the degree we must possess to survive. We can now consider ourselves a cosmic member of a very elite group of planets exploring star cultures.

The day will arrive when the governments of earth will finally admit we are not alone, that humans have come face to face with other lifeforms from the cosmos. Will we shoot first and ask questions later? Will our fears stall the inevitable encounter, and place yet another entry, another wound, upon our known dark history of terrible violence?

Was such a reaction demonstrated as we fired our SDI weapons at the unidentified ships escaping back into space during the STS-48 Space Shuttle mission in 1991? (There will be more on this astounding incident in the book.) Will the weapons of other lifeforms some day be targeted at our own human aggression and ignorance? We had better hope and pray they do not.

Space, and the infinity it has to offer, will afford us the opportunity to explore, learn, and do what we can only now imagine. Star Trek will become realty. Our future chosen leaders must have the vast hearts of cosmic statesmen, not the cold hammers of past earthly dictators. We will need more leaders like George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Susan B. Anthony, Mahatma Gandhi, Akhenaten, Martin Luther King, Confucius, and other excellent personages of human history, all part of OUR mixed races on earth who considered peace, freedom and liberty the right of every living creature. Only then shall we here on earth arrive at the true "Promised Land" which it is actually OUT THERE!. This list has many newer important names. Please read and view who they are.
Clark McClelland


Recognition
In my many years (61) as a UFO investigator, I've been able to study the various aspects of this unique field of science that may someday hold the key to the creation of the human race. Many have contributed their professional status, reputations and lives to this research, and to uncovering the truth about the greatest mystery of all time — to answering the grandest question: "Are we alone?" NO we are NOT alone. I and another witness have observed a Tall Alien Creature in the Space Shuttle with two NASA Astronauts on two separate occasions. Are we both seeing things? Of course not. The following list are some, but not all, of the pioneers that eventually will prevail.

Edgar Mitchell, NASA Astronaut/PhD., knows Aliens exist.

Story Musgrave, NASA Astronaut/MD, knows aliens exist

Dr. Wernher von Braun, German Scientist, Roswell/Apollo Lunar Program

Dr. Hermann Oberth, knew of "Other Intelligences".

Dr. Kurt Debus, German Scientist, KSC, Director. "Other Intelligences"

Dr. Walther Riedel, German Scientist and Director, C.S. I. in California

LeRoy. Gordon Cooper, NASA Astronaut, knew aliens exist

James Irwin, NASA Astronaut, Apollo 15. Moon UFOs

Mark Brown, NASA Astronaut, STS-48 mission and UFOs

Ellison Onizuka, NASA Astronaut, STS-51-L, & McClellan AFB Aliens.

General Nathan Twining, Roswell, USAAC

President Richard Nixon/Jackie Gleason, Homestead AFB aliens

Dr. J. Robert Oppenheimer, Roswell. He knew aliens exist

Dr. Hubertus Strughold, German Space Medical Scientist, Roswell./KSC

Kenneth Arnold, Flying Saucer Pioneer. Gave us UFOs in 1947.

Donald E. Keyhoe, Major, USMC/Director of NICAP

Richard Hall, Author/UFO Researcher (Original NICAP staff)

Jesse Marcel, Major, USAAC

Albert Chop, UFO Pioneer Investigator/Journalist

Leonard H. Stringfield, UFO Investigator/Author

Gordon Creighton, UFO Researcher/Publisher

James McDonald, Scientist/PhD.

Phillip J. Corso, Lt. Colonel, USA

J. Allen Hynek, Scientist/PhD.

Aime Michell, Author and early UFO expert

Max Flindt, Mankind- Child of the Stars

Maurice Chatelaine, NASA and knowledge of UFOs

Reverend Barry Downing, The Bible and UFOs

Ivan T. Sanderson, Writer and UFO knowledge.

Timothy Goode, Author, UFO Investigator. UK

Colin Andrews, Crop Circle expert and UFO investigator, UK

Pat Delgado, Crop Circle expert, UFO investigator, UK

Don Berliner, Author/UFO Researcher (Original NICAP staff)

Coral and Jim Lorenzon, UFO Researchers/Authors

Bud Hopkins, Hypnotist/UFO Researcher/Author

Bill Hamilton, Military Expert/UFO Researcher/Author

Stan Gordon, UFO Researcher/Video Producer

Robert M. Collins, Author, the excellent book: "Exempt from Disclosure"

Robert (Bob) Jacobs, Lt. USAF/PhD.

Dr. Jacques Vallee, UFO Researcher/Author

Florenz J. Mansmann, Major, USAF/PhD.

John Fuller, UFO Researcher/Author

Jerome Clark, Author/UFO Researcher

Betty and Barney Hill

Jeff Challender, He shared UFO and Alien NASA knowledge with Clark

Paola Harris, Photo Journalist, and my GOOD friend

The original Staff of NICAP and all those who investigated and those who witnessed and disclosed testimony regarding the Roswell UFO incident in New Mexico, 1947.


Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2010 - 09:31am PT
Also disclosure in happening in many different ways. Another way is to teach the truth of the UFO/Alien phenomenon throughout history . . .


Well that is exactly what the History Channel is doing in the program:
Ancient Aliens


Pretty darn good program and very thorough. I haven't gotten to see all the programs, I'll have to purchase the DVD, but it is a real eye-opener.

If you haven't been watching it on the History Channel you should.


http://www.history.com/shows/ancient-aliens





Anyway you slice it disclosure is happening. And then there are those sucking their thumbs and claiming it isn't and that UFOs/Aliens are not a real phenomenon.

Those who think that way. First of all stop sucking your thumbs . . .


Well, I guess you can argue that you don't exist either. But then we have to read the attempted debunking spew and ridicule everyday, don't we? You are real and so are they.
Mike Bolte

Trad climber
Planet Earth
May 25, 2010 - 10:45am PT
I see that the disclosure is happening at the cabinet level now. I am curious about why you did not link to this story along with the others you list.

Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2010 - 03:02pm PT
Pate,

Why do I play your game? Why? I dunno. Maybe its because I feel pitty.

The term phenomenon was used correctly and fits the definition precisely. UFOs and Aliens are observable phenomenon and always have been. And guess what? If they were not, then we wouldn't have seen them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenomenon

A phenomenon (from Greek φαινόμενoν, pl. φαινόμενα - phenomena) is any observable occurrence.[1] In popular usage, a phenomenon often refers to an extraordinary event. In scientific usage, a phenomenon is any event that is observable, however commonplace it might be, even if it requires the use of instrumentation to observe it. For example, in physics, a phenomenon may be a feature of matter, energy, or spacetime, such as Isaac Newton's observations of the moon's orbit and of gravity, or Galileo Galilei's observations of the motion of a pendulum.[2]

1. New Oxford American Dictionary (2nd ed.)
2. Jeremy Bernstein, A Theory for Everything, Copernicus, An imprint of Springer-Verlag, New York, 1996, hardback, ISBN 0-387-94700-0


Yes, Astronauts, Military personnel and Officers, Scientists, Politicians, and even regular Citizens do indeed observe UFOs/Aliens, and not just with the human eye only (visible light), but with video (visible light), RADAR (radio), and other frequencies of the EM spectrum using remote sensing have captured them for all to see.

Man has been observing UFOs/Aliens it turns out throughout our complex (not perfectly understood) and long history.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 25, 2010 - 03:23pm PT
This just in for the more prosaic:

Secret X-37B Space Plane Spotted by Amateur Skywatchers

While the U.S. Air Force is mum about the orbital whereabouts of its X-37B mini-space plane, a dedicated band of amateur skywatchers has got its cross-hairs on the spacecraft.


The unpiloted X-37B Orbital Test Vehicle 1 was lofted on April 22 atop an Atlas launcher. It is being flown under the auspices of the U.S. Air Force Rapid Capabilities Office.


In U.S. military tracking parlance, when the space plane reached orbit it became identified as Catalog Number 36514, 2010-015A, OTV-1 (USA 212). [Video: X-37B space plane spotted.]


From there it entered a cone of silence regarding any on-orbit duties.


[Related: World's largest airship inflated to create monster 'stratellite']


But thanks to a worldwide eyes-on-the-sky network of amateurs, the spacecraft is reportedly in a 39.99 degrees inclination, circling the Earth in an orbit 401 kilometers by 422 kilometers. This data may change slightly as the vehicle's orbit is better refined, said Greg Roberts of Cape Town, South Africa, a pioneer in using telescopic video cameras to track spacecraft, chalking up exceptional results over the years.


The Air Force has not said what the robotic ship is for, but analysts say the X-37B is likely a spy craft and almost surely not a weapon. [X-37B spacecraft photos.]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20100524/sc_space/secretx37bspaceplanespottedbyamateurskywatchers
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2010 - 06:39pm PT
Pate,

You wasted my duty free lunch time.

I think that a few of us here on ST are really open to a great deal of ridicule because:

1) We think outside the box, (but hey if you don't then you may just miss an intrigueing insight to a new discovery or understanding), and we are not afraid to admit these new ideas and thoughts.

2) Those of us with faith who believe in a GOD, a GOD who expects us to live by and follow The Golden Rule, then those of you who constantly harass and ridicule then knowingly take advantage as a result. You know that you are not going to get it back. You see an easy target and you try to take full advantage.

It is about as difficult as taking candy from a baby. How challenging is that? It's immoral. That's what it is.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2010 - 06:41pm PT
Rokjox,

I agree. I would like to respond later when I have more time . . .


So we are left with the three possibilities.



1. Every single episode of alien contact is a delusion or misidentification of a natural phenomenon.

Millions of misidentifications made by millions of people throughout 4,000 years, or so. Professional observers, tape, video and other circumstantial, physical and episodic proof to the contrary be damned.





2. Some group body in a very technologically advanced place is consciously faking the entire thing, and doing a damn good job of doing it, as well as a damn good job of keeping the fraud silent.

Those of you who don't think that 911 could have been an inside job because no large group ("especially government") could have kept such a secret, must abandon this possibility out of hand, this is a far greater, and more long lasting and complex fraud than a three jetliner crash could/would ever be.





3. Aliens exist.

And they are following their own agendas in their rate/types of contact.







Please note that the world is being prepped for the third possibility, at a VERY rapid rate.


If the reality turns out to be possibility two, we have to ask ourselves WHY! WHAT is the final scene that is being prepped for? What can a government/military wing/arm of a government hope to gain by promoting mass delusion?



1. Every single episode of alien contact is a delusion or misidentification of a natural phenomenon.

1. Everyone is delusional who witnesses UFOs/Aliens.

Not likely. Too many people see them all at once and relate the same observations regarding the phenomenon. Too many well respected and in a position to know are also eye-witnesses.

When something is observed clearly outside our normal experiences we take notice, and those experiences are usually burned into our memories very vividly.


2. Some group body in a very technologically advanced place is consciously faking the entire thing, and doing a damn good job of doing it, as well as a damn good job of keeping the fraud silent.

Those of you who don't think that 911 could have been an inside job because no large group ("especially government") could have kept such a secret, must abandon this possibility out of hand, this is a far greater, and more long lasting and complex fraud than a three jetliner crash could/would ever be.


2. The Government, Military, or shadow government is faking the UFO/Alien phenomenon.

Not likely, but also not impossible. What would they gain by faking all these UFO/Alien experiences? If your whole intent is to keep it quiet, you do not go out of your way to make people sit-up and take notice. That would not be to your advantage.

Also why fake it only to turn around and go after those who disclose and whistle-blow regarding the UFO/Alien phenomenon? If your intent is too fake it and get people to believe it, then why go after those who expose the fact that they are real? Seems they would be doing a great job for the powers that be, and getting the word out.


Edit:

The UFO/Alien 60 + year cover-up by our government(s) truly makes the assassination of JFK et al., and 9-11 look like child's play. Agree, if you think governments can't keep secrets then I have a bridge I can . . . well, you know the rest of how that goes . . .


3. Aliens exist.

And they are following their own agendas in their rate/types of contact.

3. Agree, UFOs/Aliens exist.

This clearly is the more reasonable explaination for all the sightings throughout history and the disclosure that is taking place by many reputable people, and as well as governments of certain honest countries.

They do have an agenda, dark and sinister, and those who have made back-room deals with ET also have a dark sinister agenda. It is mutual, and one of the primary reasons for remaining secret for so long, 60 + years! The government(s) can indeed keep secrets, but at some point in time secrets do break down and sometimes become very well known, although officially never admitted too. I think that is what we are experiencing now. Disclosure is occuring world-wide whether the USA likes it or not.

Good.





This is a well known story in the UFO World-wide Community.



http://www.exopolitics.org/Study-paper-8.htm

Eisenhower’s 1954 Meeting With Extraterrestrials:
The Fiftieth Anniversary of First Contact?

Research Study #8


ABSTRACT

On the night and early hours of February 20-21, 1954, while on a ‘vacation’ to Palm Springs, California, President Dwight Eisenhower went missing and allegedly was taken to Edwards Air force base for a secret meeting. When he showed up the next morning at a church service in Los Angeles, reporters were told that he had to have emergency dental treatment the previous evening and had visited a local dentist. The dentist later appeared at a function that evening and presented as the ‘dentist’ who had treated Eisenhower. The missing night and morning has subsequently fueled rumors that Eisenhower was using the alleged dentist visit as a cover story for an extraordinary event. The event is possibly the most significant that any American President could have conducted: an alleged ‘First Contact’ meeting with extraterrestrials at Edwards Air Force base (previously Muroc Airfield), and the beginning of a series of meetings with different extraterrestrial races that led to a ‘treaty’ that was eventually signed. This astonishing First Contact event, if it occurred, will experience its 50th anniversary on February 20-21, 2004.

This paper explores the evidence that the First Contact meeting had occurred with extraterrestrials with a distinctive ‘Nordic’ appearance, the likelihood of an agreement having been spurned with this ‘Nordic race’, the start of a series of meetings that led to a treaty eventually being signed with a different extraterrestrial race dubbed the ‘Greys’, and the motivations of the different extraterrestrial races involved in these treaty discussions. The paper will further examine why these events were kept secret for so long, the significance of the 50th anniversary of Eisenhower’s meeting with extraterrestrials, and whether an official disclosure announcement is likely in the near future.



Lots more at the link for the article.

Anyone interested in UFOs/Aliens should know this story.



Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 26, 2010 - 12:47am PT
No Klimmer, you took care of wasting your lunch
break, wether you looked up words or not.




So Pate,

You just admitted responding to you, communicating with you is a waste of my time. True?
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 26, 2010 - 09:44pm PT



http://www.stargate-chronicles.com/those_who_know.html


Those Who Know
The following section contains quotes from famous and respected scientists, politicians and astronauts regarding UFO and ET phenomena.


The destruction or disappearance of military aircraft during interceptions of UFOs has continued in space. As General Benjamin Chidlaw, former commanding general of the Air Defense Command told Robert C. Gardener (ex USAF) in 1953: "We have stacks of reports of flying saucers. We take them seriously, when you consider we have lost many men and planes trying to intercept them." Leonard Stringfield, the former Air Force intelligence officer was told by a reliable source in the 1950s that the "Air Force was losing about a plane a day to the UFOs". (Thanks to Major George Filer and Timothy Good)



"We seek a free flow of information... we are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehoods in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people."

John F. Kennedy



I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on earth."

President Harry S. Truman, 1950.



"If I become President, I'll make every piece of information this country has about UFO sightings available to the public and scientists. I am convinced that UFOs exist because I have seen one."

President Jimmy Carter during his Presidential campaign.
What happened after he was elected? Absolutely nothing. What stopped him?



"In the firm belief that the American public deserves a better explanation than that thus far given by the Air Force, I strongly recommend that there be a committee investigation of the UFO phenomena. I think we owe it to the people to establish credibility regarding UFOs, and to produce the greatest possible enlightenment of the subject."

President Gerald Ford (during his years as a US Congressman).
What happened thereafter? Absolutely nothing. What stopped him?




"In our obsession with antagonisms of the moment, we often forget how much unites all the members of humanity. I occasionally think how quickly our differences, worldwide, would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world."

Former President Ronald Reagan, while sharing the stage with former Russian leader, Mikhail Gorbachev, 1988.
Was this stated to prepare the human race for an alien reality? Did alien contact influence the collapse of communism?




"It is true that I was denied access to a facility at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio, because I never got in. I can't tell you what was inside. We both know about the rumors (concerning a captured UFO and crew members). I have never seen what I would call a UFO, but I have intelligent friends who have."

US Senator, US Air Force General, and candidate for President, Barry Goldwater, quoted from a letter he wrote dated April 11, 1979.
Did anything significant happen regarding UFO secrecy? The Pentagon warned him to drop his interest in UFOs. Why, if UFOs do not exist?




"Well, Slim, (McClelland's knick name by Astronaut friends), I was flying a P-51 Mustang at about 12,000 feet over Minneapolis in 1951. I thought it was a simple kite. As I flew closer to it I looked at it and thought it was a weather balloon. But as I got behind it I could tell it wasn't a balloon. It looked like a disc."

NASA astronaut, Donald "Deke" Slayton.




"Mission Control, please be informed, there is a Santa Claus."
— NASA astronaut, James Lovell (of Apollo 13 fame), flying with Frank Borman and William Anders, emerging from the dark side of the moon during their historic first circumlunar mission, Apollo-8, in December, 1968.
"Santa Claus" was the mission code used if sighting a strange object such as a UFO.




"While flying with several other USAF pilots over Germany in 1957, we sighted numerous radiant flying discs above us. We couldn't tell how high they were. We couldn't get anywhere near their altitude."

"While working with a camera crew supervising flight testing of advanced aircraft at Edward's Air Force Base, California, the camera crew filmed the landing of a strange disc object that flew in over their heads and landed on a dry lake nearby. A camera crewman approached the saucer, it rose up above the area and flew off at a speed faster than any known aircraft."

NASA astronaut, L. Gordon Cooper.




"I've talked with people of military and government credentials and position and heard their stories, and their desire to tell their stories openly to the public. And that got my attention very, very rapidly...the first hand experiences of these credible witnesses that, now in advanced years are anxious to tell their story. We can't deny that, and the evidence points to the fact that Roswell was a real incident, and that indeed an alien craft did crash, and that material was recovered from that crash site..."

Astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 Mission veteran.




"The next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets."

Former Five Star General of the Army, Douglas MacArthur, 1955.





In one of the strangest stories in recent years, former Apollo astronaut and Senator JOHN GLENN made a March appearance on the NBC comedy "Frasier" in which he made following comments. Although many have dismissed them as simple humor because of their context -- one of the most popular comedy's on television -- when you actually watch the program, listen to the words and observe Glenn's demeanor, it becomes much harder to dismiss this as “simple episodic comedy.”

"Back in those glory days, I was very uncomfortable when they asked us to say things we didn't want to say and deny other things. Some people asked, you know, were you alone out there? We never gave the real answer, and yet we see things out there, strange things, but we know what we saw out there. And we couldn't really say anything. The bosses were really afraid of this, they were afraid of the War of the Worlds type stuff, and about panic in the streets. So we had to keep quiet. And now we only see these things in our nightmares or maybe in the movies, and some of them are pretty close to being the truth."

Astronaut John Glenn





These remarks were made by NEIL ARMSTRONG at the White House on WEDNESDAY, JULY 20, 1994 during a ceremony commemorating the Apollo 11 mission:

"Today we have with us a group of students, among America's best. To you we say we have only completed a beginning. We leave you much that is undone. There are great ideas undiscovered, breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of the truth's protective layers. There are places to go beyond belief..."

Astronaut Neil Armstrong





From the St. Petersburg Times, Florida - February 18, 2004:

ST. PETERSBURG TIMES
Astronaut: We´ve had visitors

"A few insiders know the truth . . . and are studying the bodies that have been discovered," said Mitchell, who was the sixth man to walk on the moon.
Mitchell, who landed on the moon with Alan B. Shepard, said a "cabal" of insiders stopped briefing presidents about extraterrestrials after President Kennedy.

Astronaut Edgar Mitchell




According to a taped interview by J. L. Ferrando, Major Cooper said:

"For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists in astronautics. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public. Why? Because authority is afraid that people may think of God knows what kind of horrible invaders. So the password still is: We have to avoid panic by all means"

"I was furthermore a witness to an extraordinary phenomenon, here on this planet Earth. It happened a few months ago in Florida. There I saw with my own eyes a defined area of ground being consumed by flames, with four indentations left by a flying object which had descended in the middle of a field. Beings had left the craft (there were other traces to prove this). They seemed to have studied topography, they had collected soil samples and, eventually, they returned to where they had come from, disappearing at enormous speed...I happen to know that authority did just about everything to keep this incident from the press and TV, in fear of a panicky reaction from the public"

Astronaut L. Gordon Cooper


MeatBomb

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Boise, I dee Hoe
May 27, 2010 - 12:59am PT
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May 27, 2010 - 01:10am PT
knott meaning offense here Klimmer....
communicating with you is a waste of my time. True?


I just gotta point out that probably the majority of the taco feels like communicating with you is just that. A waste of time.

Now... I read a lot of what you post. I find it interesting. But you are pretty far out there and clearly have you idea on how things work. Cool. But I guess at the end of it all I'm really not a sci-fi fan. Which is where most of your ideas reside in my realm of thinking. But hey... that's must my opinion.

so I guess I'm just invoking the "pot, kettle, black" observation.

Pate often comes off like an ass. I doubt he really is. I look forward to smoking a bowl with him. Climbing with him. Chatting with him. But like it or knott, Klimmer, if you read what he writes (trolling or not) I bet you are not wasting your time.
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