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raymond phule
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Can you guys please get your scientists straightened out, they seem to be all over the board and indeed overboard in this rat infested sinking ship of CAGW.
The problem is sometimes that climate science is conspiracy where everyone agrees with each other to get funding and different views cant even get published and sometimes is the problem that the scientists cant even agree with each other...
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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HAMWEATHER is now not worthy. Unbelievable.
Who ever said it was not worthy?
You said:
NOAA released last weeks "Record Temperature Events"
And I corrected you... it ain't from NOAA. Try unwinding your panties a bit and learn to read.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Can you guys please get your scientists straightened out, they seem to be all over the board and indeed overboard in this rat infested sinking ship of CAGW.
Rick reliably exhibits a tinfoil-hat comprehension of science. The reality-based community understands science is dynamic by its nature for non-conspiratorial reasons. Frinstance, Ed cites (and Rick tinfoil-hats) a 2010 article in Nature suggesting that low albedo could resolve the faint sun paradox. Since then other scientists have run the numbers and disagreed, as in this NASA group:
We show that, even with the strongest plausible assumptions, reducing cloud and surface albedos falls short by a factor of two of resolving the paradox,” say Goldlatt and Zahnle.
So the paradox is alive and well; and more puzzling than ever. Last year we discovered that a greenhouse effect can’t explain the paradox. Now we know that a lower albedo wouldn’t have done the trick either.
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/424154/faint-young-sun-paradox-not-solved-says-nasa/
We could go farther with this topic though I know that reality can't dent Rick's conspiracy views.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Yep, when the arctic ice is not reachable, the polar bears will just "party" (AndersonSpeak) with the brown bears, like nothing happened.
And the reef fish whose reef degrades and even disappears, well they just "party" in place.
(leaky submarine reply from Anderson in 3....2....1....)
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Huff-n-Chuff, still dumber than dirt I see.
And who determines which scientist they employ?
Well numbnutz, I DO, for one. Hired one this week. Ed does for another. Along with the thousands of other GS supervisors who employ scientists in their agencies.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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What are the odds that mini Garcia would be here to make his opponents miserable- i've heard something in the neighborhood 10 to the 80th against such a proposition. Yet here you are-intelligent design at or before the big bang-no one can refute one way or another. All you have to do to assure a bright future is convince enough of your friends ,who go on to convince their friends, to ignore or fight the doom and gloom and carry on in your best possible effort. Nature decides our fate as a species not man.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Exactly Ed Garcia, don't believe everything you think! The policies you relentlessly push, then repeatedly deny, could well destroy our now fragile world economy and render the planet uninhabitable to the present population.You as an egghead are out of your depth in economics.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Vostok ice core and Greenland temp data are not global average temperature.
They and many other proxy sources are used in the Marcott, Mann and other reconstructions of global average temp.
It's the spike in global average temp that is unprecedented, not the fluctuations of individual points on earth.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Yes, if you have done well in this country it is patriotic to give back to the system that allowed it. I certainly do as well Norton. There comes a point though, when you say enough is enough after witnessing decades of the uncontrolled waste of tax dollars. At this point i would rather, and in fact do, give what i can to highly effective people i know can spend judiciously-usually schools-and gladly take the exemption. Aren't you getting a little wound up Norton, this is after all just an internet discussion. Ron's a good guy, what you had to say crossed all reasonable lines.
And Ron, you don't need to stick your neck out to cover my back. It is unnecessary and only leads to you catching flack.
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abrams
Sport climber
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air pollution and deforestation from overgrazing combined with
world wide sources of vehicle and factory soot would be the smart
target to bring under control rather than CO2.
Don't know how many of you get the dusting duty around your homes but
consider all the worlds glaciers are getting this fallout non stop and each
particle is acting like a little toaster oven that will never stop melting
the ice until its pushed out the toe.
http://juneauempire.com/stories/042408/sta_271769319.shtml
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Aug 1, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
well Ron,
unlike you, I actually review what I post and if I find I said something not intended I take it out.
Since I don't know for sure if Rick is white or not, I reconsidered and deleted that, so fuking what.
You ought to try it sometime, make sure you mean what you say instead of blurting out all your bullsh!t that others here constantly call you "rong" about.
What?
And YOU Ron Anderson who I would guess does not pay a dime in Federal income tax due to your pathetically low pigeon stuffing income have somehow a problem with the fact that I once mentioned, and you bothered to remember, that my wife and I choose to donate extra to the Treasury General Fund every year?
Ah wait, you are jealous of the fact that I have so damn much money I can just give it away to my government, boo!
Really bothers you doesn't?
I do it out of patriotism, it came from a lifetime of working with my brain so go fuk yourself.
And speaking of my patriotism, I wish you were there next to me in the jungle 40 years ago being "patriotic", you miserable low life son of a b!tch
WOW For some the climate never changes
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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^ U r 2 Burchey
That's even more funnier
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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thanks for your service Norton!! and you to Chief!!
Ron have you served?
if not don't put down Norton...
just a guess but if Norton fought in Vietnam I don't have much to say other than THANKS...but I acknowledge he and all the others deserve our respect...so give it...
THANKS FOR BEING A PATRIOT----I HAVE BENEFITED---AND HAVE ALWAYS LOOKED UP TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU!!!
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Yeah Anderson, those AFB's sound like nasty, brutal places. The px store must have been particularly dangerous.
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dirtbag
climber
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I have a few tokens like that in a drawer, leftover from my nephew's birthday party at Chuck E. Cheese's.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Personally when this discussion devolves into insults and name calling it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. If I am the one ranting, I later feel embarrassment. We can argue much more effectively if the discussion doesn't descend into stupidity.
Taxes-never been audited-probably paid much more than required, certainly in total as much as a lot peoples lifetime incomes. I always believed it was a patriotic thing to do in giving back to the system that allowed one the freedom to succeed. But, after decades of viewing the escalation in wholesale government waste i much prefer to give to highly effective people in position, and of the mind, to improve the standards-usually in education. I gladly take the tax deduction.
Irrational acceptance of CAGW alarmism isn't the sole trait of one party or another of the political divide. Our federal politicians show plenty of collective stupidity. The scheme gained traction first under papa Bush. Below is a link to testimonials from five of the very few scientists out of the total that the so called 97% consensus of AGW was based. Very interesting-what they have to say.
http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/05/97-study-falsely-classifies-scientists.html
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2013 - 01:47pm PT
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Ron, that item is beautiful, and proud.
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Spitzer
climber
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Personally when this discussion devolves into insults and name calling it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. If I am the one ranting, I later feel embarrassment. We can argue much more effectively if the discussion doesn't descend into stupidity.
The reason for the name calling here could be global warming, LOL.
"Tempers flare as temperatures rise — across the globe and throughout human history, researchers have found. The result is consistent with a growing body of research suggesting that climate change somehow incites human conflict."
http://www.nature.com/news/warming-climate-drives-human-conflict-1.13464
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