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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Sep 12, 2009 - 12:22pm PT
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Howard, as usual, your suppositions are NOT based on facts.
You challenge the truth of my statement regarding Bush and god.
This from Bob Woodward, who interviewed Bush:
Asked by Woodward, an assistant managing editor at the Washington Post, if he had ever consulted the former president before ordering the invasion of Iraq, Bush replied that "he is the wrong father to appeal to in terms of strength; there is a higher father that I appeal to."
Lois, don't you dare question the truth of any fact I present.
You are entitled to your own opinions, but NOT your own FACTS.
Don't you just hate those liberals who base their opinion
on facts, unlike Republicans who have opinions first and
then make up LIES and ignore facts to support their "world view"
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Sep 12, 2009 - 12:36pm PT
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Why even respond to Howie/Lois??
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Sep 12, 2009 - 12:45pm PT
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Good question Bob, it seems pointless.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Sep 12, 2009 - 02:21pm PT
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Well HWD, since I do not believe in a "god", I cannot give
you any evidence that "he" and Shrub spoke.
Therefore, I believe dumb ass Bush spoke to himself only.
And himself answered his "higher power" himself.
And anyone who voted for that dumbass himself, is a MORON.
And anyone who voted to put BARBIE one heartbeat away from
being Commander in Chief is also a MORON.
And doesn't give a sh#t about our national security.
Keep on losing elections, but hey the GOP is a "big tent".
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Sep 12, 2009 - 03:20pm PT
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It is kinda funny how the Right still like to demonize Kennedy for something that happened decades ago while never thinking to put Dick Cheney in the same category when he shot a guy in the face under the influence and delayed bringing the police to the scene until he sobered up.
Kinda like the way the Right now moans and frets about Obama's spending after remaining silent during the waste of Bush for 8 years.
Anybody who has some consistency in their ethics has some credibility in my book. Notice how the Left has been much more critical of Obama than the right ever was with Bush. Have to envy that Bush could get 100% GOP votes in congress so often, even for bogus lie programs
PEace
Karl
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Sep 12, 2009 - 03:56pm PT
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"Now Caribou? Well she does have a certain appeal - hey she is a whole lot nicer to look at and she does not use four-letter words referencing her husband. You got to admit that is an improvement, no?"
That tells us all we need to know about your political acumen!
What Bill Clinton did to get impeach absolutely paled in comparison to the repeated and flagrant abuse that should have got Bush impeached. A disgrace to our country that ANY impeachment vote should go along party lines.
We get what we deserve. Obama has flaws but we're lucky to have him given our dysfunction and corruption
Peace
Karl
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Sep 12, 2009 - 04:06pm PT
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I thought we got rid of Lois...what kind of whack job continues to babble like there is no tomorrow and under various avatars for no apparent reason other than to just babble?
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apogee
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Sep 12, 2009 - 04:18pm PT
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Bob: "Why even respond to Howie/Lois??"
Norton: "Good question Bob, it seems pointless."
You guys, don't for minute try to feign how incredulous you are about interacting with Lois- she has been around a long, long time (as have you), and you have each interacted enough with her to know damn well that it is completely and utterly pointless. (Yes, you could make the same statement of most of the people you conflict with here on ST.)
So, if you are really irritated by her, the choice is yours: STOP INTERACTING WITH HER. You guys are smart guys, but you look really silly when you go back and forth and back and forth and back and forth and back and forth (ad nauseum) with Lois, then complain about how pointless it is.
In a weird way, I'd rather have 10 Lois's here than one suap- Lois at least interacts in a dialogue, as nauseatingly circular and repetitive as that might be. When the mood strikes you to rant and rave about something, Lois is always game to play. Sometimes that's fun to have around.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Sep 12, 2009 - 04:24pm PT
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I'm not responding to Lois/Howie...I'm sharing my opinions on what really drives a person to act in such a way...Lonely, insecure, craves attention, hasn't been laid in years?
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apogee
climber
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Sep 12, 2009 - 04:37pm PT
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"They could then show your wife said list and you'd have some explaining to do."
So, Lois, is that some kind of a threat? If so....
BRING IT.
Just for entertainment's sake, it would be fun to bring your identity issue out into the open for more discussion and inspection. Aside from the great number of people who already damn well know the truth, I can provide a whole range of interesting bits that will, well, only make you look sillier.
In case you haven't noticed, I have (built) a tolerance for your presence here, and your right to participate in this community, even though you are not a climber, and you say some really stooopid sh*t sometimes. I suggest that you either come back clearly and openly as Lois/LEB, or just shut it and deal. You put on the mask- don't be surprised when people want to see what's under it.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Sep 12, 2009 - 04:50pm PT
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I would like to know what "vulnerability" Apogee has.
Let's get it out, Lois claims she knows some secret or something.
This is not pillow talk, this is a serious allegation.
Let the games begin, Lois you go first, prove your sh#t talk.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 12, 2009 - 04:56pm PT
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The obsession with Lois is almost as intense as the obsession with Bush.
Now I consider Bush to have been a weak moderate president who's desire to get a long paralyzed his veto pen to the long term detriment of the nation. But, his failings have certainly been exceeded in a few short months.
So in that spirit;
President Bush 'did not' do the following during his 8 years, let alone 8 months:
*He did NOT:
1. Offend the Queen of England
2. Bow to the king of Saudi Arabia
3. Hire czars with communist backgrounds who weren't vetted by Congress
4. Promise to create over 4 million jobs
5. Praise the Marxist Daniel Ortega
6. Kiss Socialist Hugo Chavez on the cheek
7. Endorse Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia
8. Side with Castro on the Honduras issue
9. Announce the U.S. will meet with the Iranians with no-preconditions
10. Say tasteless jokes about Special/Handicap persons
11. Double our national debt
12. Announce the termination of a new missile system, that has been proven to work.
13. Release secret CIA information------the ones who have helped keep us safe
14. Accept five persons for his Cabinet who have tax problems
15. Order that the word terrorism no longer be used
16. Circle the world to apologize for America
17. Tell the President of Mexico that America is responsible for their violence
18. Violate protocol and politicize the Census by taking control of it
19. Embarrass America by trashing the CIA's interrogation methods
20. OK a low level aerial photo in New York City
21. Speak out of both sides of his mouth on supporting Israel
22. Take control of the car industry
23. Take control of the banking system
24. Select a VP who is not the sharpest pencil in the box
25. Create a health plan that is not good for America
26. Support a 'cap & trade' fiasco
27. Ever call a police officer stupid on TV
28. Spend tax payer money on private vacations
29. Spend multi billions with no results
30. Ever act so arrogant
31. Bush always attended the annual National Day of Prayer......Barak Hussein Obama did not
32. Bush rarely used a tele-prompter, he can't perform without one.
33. Create massive deficits, stealing from future generations.
34. Blatantly lie to a joint session of Congress and the American people.
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apogee
climber
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Sep 12, 2009 - 04:59pm PT
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"I think you have a vulnerability and I am pointing it out to you. It is a word to the wise."
Thanks for your concern, Lois, however misplaced.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Sep 12, 2009 - 05:00pm PT
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HWD
IT's not necessarily "lies" if a guy can't deliver everything he would like once he takes office. He inherited a severe crisis that could have brought the whole country down.
IN addition, once in office, you get the download of the secret sh#t that keeps us doing things that it seems like we shouldn't. (and perhaps we shoudn't too, can't figure out why Obama wants to waste our lives and cash in afghanistan)
Lies is when you make up intel in order to bomb a country that didn't attack you
(And TGT, you should be ashamed of your claim about the WMDs, hardly any GOP leaders would dare say so even though they would love it to be true)
Peace
Karl
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apogee
climber
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Sep 12, 2009 - 05:01pm PT
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TGT, your list is obviously very arguable (i.e. 'leaving a deficit for future generations'), but you forgot the most important offence to the GOP:
*Bush was never a black man.
Now that we straightened that out, shall we create a list of all the bone-headed things Shrub did? That should get this thread to 20k posts, no problema.
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apogee
climber
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Sep 12, 2009 - 05:06pm PT
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So, TGT, a question or two for you:
*Did Obama's interventions keep this recession economy from developing into a 30's style Depression?
*Did Bush's actions post-9/11 keep us safer?
PROVE IT.
Tough to do, with empirical, inarguable facts, ain't it?
I guess if you can't prove it, then any kind of Krap spewed here is just that...Krap®.
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Sep 12, 2009 - 05:07pm PT
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"...President Bush 'did not' do the following during his 8 years, let alone 8 months..."
Neither has Obama. What's your point?
Curt
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Sep 12, 2009 - 05:07pm PT
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TGT
Bush inherited a surplus and brought us to a deficit in no time. He inherited the good will of the world and made us hated.
He protected the Saudis who were more responsible for 9-11 than anybody else.
He did let out secret CIA information (plame)
and did more damage than any president in history
The only reason Obama looks so bad is that he inherited the BUsh extreme mess, a mess so bad that even Bush had to throw Hundreds of billions at it to make it out of office without total chaos
Peace
Karl
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