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shut up and pull
climber
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Sep 11, 2009 - 07:43pm PT
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Was Bush lying about WMDs?
Lets review the Dems' statements about WMDs.
WERE ALL THESE LIBERAL LEFT-WING DEMS LYING TOO?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998
"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others
"Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities" -- From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002
"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998
"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998
"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002
"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002
"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002
"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002
"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003
"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998
"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002
"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham, December 2002
"Saddam Hussein is not the only deranged dictator who is willing to deprive his people in order to acquire weapons of mass destruction." -- Jim Jeffords, October 8, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002
"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002
"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002
"The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation." -- John Kerry, October 9, 2002
"(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War." -- John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." -- Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002
"Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States." -- Joe Lieberman, August, 2002
"Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. During 1991 - 1994, despite Iraq's denials, U.N. inspectors discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that Iraq was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate that Iraq is still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason to think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively pursued biological and chemical weapons.U.N. inspectors have said that Iraq's claims about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable. In 1986, Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its own Kurdish population. While weapons inspections have been successful in the past, there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can be no doubt that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of mass destruction." -- Patty Murray, October 9, 2002
"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998
"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources -- something that is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002
"Saddam’s existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against Iraq’s enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002
"Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration’s policy towards Iraq, I don’t think there can be any question about Saddam’s conduct. He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are simply the facts." -- Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Sep 11, 2009 - 07:47pm PT
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And SUP, with all respect to HDDJ here is a repost of his earlier explanation.
"Democrats(Obama) bending the the health care intent (lying), why did they block bill amendments which would have required proof of citizenship to get health care? He/they lie!!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090910/ap_on_go_co/us_illegal_immigrants_fact_check
The evil one "
Uh yeah....
...because the terms were so odious that they would prevent ACTUAL CITIZENS from getting care. But we all know that the idea of a single illegal immigrant getting health care is SO TERRIFYINGLY TERRIBLE that it is well worth blocking citizens from care to keep it from happening.
(Actually in real life the financially smart thing to do would be to give undocumented immigrants insurance because it's cheaper to make sure they get real care than to wait until they show up to emergency rooms with extreme illnesses where we are legally (and morally) required to give them care but come on Republicans don't care about saving money they care about SAYING they want to save money.)
SO, the truth is the Dems were not going to allow the Repubs to pull a fast one under a flimsy guise. They rejected the BS, they did NOT approve free health care of undocumented peoples. Quit trying to pull the hackneyed old GOP disingenuous bait and switch obfuscation. They only ones naive and/or ignorant enough to fall for that crap is you and your fellow ditto heads.
SO, SHUT UP AND PULL - your head out of your ass!
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 11, 2009 - 07:52pm PT
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I know people who have touched Saddam's non existent WMD equipment.
I've spoken at length with some who saw his nuclear program up close and personal complete with the blue glow.
He may have never fully developed the capability, but he certainly had the intent and a nascent capability.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Sep 11, 2009 - 07:54pm PT
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PROOF? you poof!
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sep 11, 2009 - 07:57pm PT
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Proof doesn't matter to you.
you still believe that 9-11 was an inside job.
Maybe you should try here for your needs.
http://www.hodaalu.com/products.asp
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Sep 11, 2009 - 08:01pm PT
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And you still believe the lies of the Bush administration.
The difference is the future will discredit the ditto heads utterly you included.
Those of us with our eyes open will be proven correct.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Sep 11, 2009 - 08:18pm PT
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So Lois you slept through the exposes of all the horrors and abuses of the VA system?
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Sep 11, 2009 - 08:28pm PT
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So Lois why do the repubs have such a problem with giving more choice of health care to average citizens?
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Sep 11, 2009 - 09:04pm PT
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"...one question -- will illegal aliens be allowed free health care under Obama's "plan"?
Yes -- or -- no?"
No--at least not any more so than today. What's your next question?
Curt
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Sep 11, 2009 - 09:19pm PT
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On that we agree Jeff. Decorum was absent.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Sep 11, 2009 - 09:30pm PT
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I agree with Lois, the GOP is a Big Tent Party.
Lois also talks of how tolerant the GOP is.
What planet has Lois been living on?
How many more elections does the GOP have to lose before
this kind of delusional belief system gets real?
Yep,real big tent tolerant. Here is what the GOP got in November
8% of the black vote
32% of the Hispanic vote, fastest growing minority
31% of the 18-34 year old all important youth vote
but hey, you got the all important older white people vote!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Sep 11, 2009 - 10:19pm PT
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They got the old white people vote. And the Bible Belt.
That's IT, that's all they got.
Church is OUT for the GOP.
Keep kissing your leader Limbaugh's ass.
Keep kissing your extreme right wing's ass.
Keep on losing elections. What a great strategy.
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spectreman
Trad climber
CO
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Sep 11, 2009 - 11:27pm PT
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"See it is always a little more complicated than you f*#king ignorant right wing nutters think it is - and much, more complicated then it occurs to the inbreed, imbeciles they find to represent folks like you in Congress and who write amendments in which they have no idea about. "
Just one small example of what a vile and intolerant person Radical truly seems to be.
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Sep 11, 2009 - 11:51pm PT
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Hey Wes,
McCain looks just as comfortable with ACORN as he did with Charlie Keating.
Curt
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Sep 12, 2009 - 12:00am PT
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HWD writes
"I would like to see the same thing on a widespread basis. Each person should have the option of the public system (doctors, hospitals, clinics) or a private system. Each person chooses. One chooses whether to go to the State University or whether to go to a private college. Why can't we do the same thing here. Each person chooses where he wants to go for health care?"
Isn't that the sort of Proposal Obama is putting forth? Does it scare you that on the subject you know most about that your opinions are decidedly aligned with Obama?
PEace
karl
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apogee
climber
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Sep 12, 2009 - 01:19am PT
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"I know people who have touched Saddam's non existent WMD equipment.
I've spoken at length with some who saw his nuclear program up close and personal complete with the blue glow."
Holy sh#t, TGT- where did you score the chronic? It's really bringing out a paranoid, conspiratorial part of your personality....
"He may have never fully developed the capability, but he certainly had the intent and a nascent capability."
Do you have any idea how many whackjobs in your neighborhood fit this description? And somehow that is enough rational to invade a country that never attacked us? Who's next, TGT?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Sep 12, 2009 - 11:31am PT
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Shrub was asked if bothered to consult with his father, the
only other President to invade Iraq, prior to his own invasion
His answer: NO
When asked why not, Shrub said he consulted "a higher power",
god, who told him it was ok to invade Iraq.
Yes, Shrub's "world view" relied heavily on his having a
"direct line to god", and definately influenced his "policies".
And 4000 Americans died, and at minimum tens of thousands of
Iraqi civilians, along with millions fleeing Iraq.
All because "god" told Shrub it was ok to invade Iraq.
And so yes, this does qualify him as a "religious nut".
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Sep 12, 2009 - 12:12pm PT
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The republican party has gone off the deep end...Ronald Reagan would now be consider a leftie...
From the internet: Illegal immigrants are already eligible for emergency care through the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act, signed by President Reagan in 1986. This emergency care is often paid for by Emergency Medicaid, private insurance if the patients have it, out-of-pocket, or it's written off as bad debt or charity care by the hospital.
This is how the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act is described:
Any patient who "comes to the emergency department" requesting "examination or treatment for a medical condition" must be provided with "an appropriate medical screening examination" to determine if he is suffering from an "emergency medical condition". If he is, then the hospital is obligated to either provide him with treatment until he is stable or to transfer him to another hospital in conformance with the statute's directives.
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