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jstan
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Sep 11, 2009 - 02:21pm PT
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Sumner
Two days later, on the afternoon of May 22, 1856, Preston Brooks, a
congressman from South Carolina and Butler's nephew, confronted Sumner as
he sat writing at his desk in the almost empty Senate chamber. Brooks was
accompanied by Laurence M. Keitt also of South Carolina and Henry A.
Edmundson of Virginia, who took no part in the assault. Brooks said, "Mr.
Sumner, I have read your speech twice over carefully. It is a libel on South
Carolina, and Mr. Butler, who is a relative of mine." As Sumner, who was six feet
four inches tall, began to stand up, Brooks began beating Sumner severely on
the head with a thick gutta-percha cane with a gold head. Sumner was trapped
under the heavy desk (which was bolted to the floor), but Brooks continued to
bash Sumner until he ripped the desk from the floor. By this time, Sumner was
blinded by his own blood, and he staggered up the aisle and collapsed, lapsing
into unconsciousness. Brooks continued to beat Sumner until he broke his
cane, then quietly left the chamber. Several other senators attempted to help
Sumner, but were blocked by Keitt who was holding a pistol and shouting, "Let
them be!" (Brooks died in 1857; Keitt was censured for his actions and was later
killed in 1864 during the Civil War as a Confederate officer).
Sumner did not attend the Senate for the next three years while recovering
from the attack. In addition to the head trauma, he suffered from nightmares,
severe headaches and (what is now understood to be) post-traumatic stress
disorder. During that period, his enemies subjected him to ridicule and accused
him of cowardice for not resuming his duties in the Senate. Nevertheless, the
Massachusetts General Court reelected him in November 1856, believing that
his vacant chair in the Senate chamber served as a powerful symbol of free
speech and resistance to slavery.
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apogee
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Sep 11, 2009 - 02:22pm PT
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booky- long time, no rant! Where ya been lately, bud?
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Gary
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Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Sep 11, 2009 - 02:25pm PT
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So the pro-lifers are shooting one another now? Figures.
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graniteclimber
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Nowhere
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Sep 11, 2009 - 03:33pm PT
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School district that barred students from hearing Obama will bus them to Bush speech.
The Arlington Independent School District in Texas decided not to show President Obama’s address to students live yesterday because it reportedly didn’t want to interrupt its regularly scheduled lesson plans. However, the district has now decided to bus its students off-campus on Sept. 21 to hear President Bush speak:
District officials said it’s part of a Cowboys Stadium field trip that the North Texas Super Bowl Host Committee invited 28 fifth-grade classes to attend several months ago.
In addition to hearing from Bush and former first lady Laura Bush, the students will hear from legendary Dallas Cowboys players and North Texas business and community leaders. The event launches the Super Bowl committee’s largest-ever youth education program.
Dwight McKissic, the pastor at the Cornerstone Baptist Church, which offered an alternative venue for Arlington families wishing to listen to the President yesterday, criticized the school district’s “blatant double standard.” “Why is it appropriate for students to hear from former President Bush on Sept. 21 at the Cowboy[s] Stadium, but inappropriate for the current president to address students while they remain on school campuses?” McKissic asked. (HT: Raw Story)
Arlington Independent School District in Texas Board of Trustees.
Demographics
As of April 2007, its student population is made up of the following ethnicities:
Anglo 33%
Hispanic 36%
African American 24%
Asian 7%
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Bob D'A
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Boulder, CO
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Sep 11, 2009 - 04:09pm PT
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Close to the start of this tread I posted that race was issue when it came to Obama...the republicans and the fear that have tired to instill just proves my point.
The republican party continue to sink to new lows.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Sep 11, 2009 - 04:28pm PT
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Colin Powell was banished from the GOP for not being "pure"
by your official leader, Rush Limbaugh, the ONE, the ONE
everyone else genuflects to, the ONE who's ass gets kissed,
and the ONE who the little peasants apologize to, THE ONE.
Colin was not a real Republican, he was a mealy mouthed moderate
who felt the GOP should be more inclusive, should be willing to
expand its voter base by reaching out to those Americans who
do not embrace the extreme right wing.
For this, he was said "good riddance" to, and told that he was
not a "real Republican".
And they wonder why they can't get elected to public office
anywhere other than the bible belt states.
Keep it up Pups, we are lovin kicking your ass all over.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Sep 11, 2009 - 04:29pm PT
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Colin Powell was banished from the GOP for not being "pure"
by your official leader, Rush Limbaugh, the ONE, the ONE
everyone else genuflects to, the ONE who's ass gets kissed,
and the ONE who the little peasants apologize to, THE ONE.
Colin was not real pure, he was a mealy mouthed moderate
who felt the GOP should be more inclusive, should be willing to
expand its voter base by reaching out to those Americans who
do not embrace the extreme right wing.
For this, he was said "good riddance" to, and told that he was
not a "real Republican".
And they wonder why they can't get elected to public office
anywhere other than the bible belt states.
Keep it up Pups, we are lovin kicking your ass all over.
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HighDesertDJ
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Arid-zona
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Sep 11, 2009 - 05:38pm PT
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Fatty said: "Where is it written in the constitution that non-US citizens have the right to ER treatment? "
Uh...where does it say where they are excluded from such coverage in the Constitution? Where does it explicitly say that US CITIZENS have to be treated in the ER? That has to be one of the dumbest posts you've ever made. You know full well there are laws on the books across the land that REQUIRE that people be treated in the event of a medical emergency. If you show up to an ER it's considered an emergency, regardless of what is wrong with you.
Furthermore, part of the reason that so many undocumented people don't seek care sooner is because they are scared that someone WILL call INS....which means they show up to the ER either almost dead or highly contagious and in a situation where they cost 10 times as much to treat and can spread illness to other vulnerable people. If you try to make medical professionals into enforcement agents you are basically telling people to not bother showing up.
Change the idiotic immigration policies that we have instead of trying to blindly enforce what is obviously a failed system. What does it tell you that people are willing to forgot medical care for fear of being kicked out of our country? To me it says pretty strongly that being here is valuable to them, and they are passionate about being part of America. Why do we continue to sh#t on that?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Sep 11, 2009 - 05:51pm PT
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Fatty believes that if we can just cut all the illegal immigrants
off of receiving emergency room care, then he might someday
get a refund on his taxes, maybe as much as $15.
Given how little money Fatty makes, this could help out a lot!
It is just plain fiscally conservative to keep searching for
ways to quit spending money on illegals.
Think tax refund, maybe Fatty can buy himself a taco.
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shut up and pull
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Sep 11, 2009 - 07:00pm PT
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FROM THE BEST POLITICAL COMMENTATOR TODAY -- MARK STEYN:
Eight Years On [Mark Steyn]
No dynamic culture can stand still, so we shouldn't be surprised that fewer and fewer people, from the president down, find it harder and harder to remember quite what "the day that changed the world" was all about. Nevertheless, there is unfinished business — starting with that hole in the ground in lower Manhattan. As James Lileks says:
That we couldn’t stand there eight years ago was their fault. That we cannot stand there today is ours.
At Ground Zero and in that field in Pennsylvania, we broke faith with the dead. What a small number of brave civilians did on Flight 93 was magnificent. The feeble passivity of their wretched memorial — the "crescent of embrace" or whatever nancified modification is on the table this week — is a national disgrace.
It's interesting on this day to read Michael Rubin's posts on Tony Blair and Yale's cartoon cravenness. I wrote in NR the other week about the Danish Motoons:
In the long run, the ostensibly trivial matter of some undistinguished drawings in an obscure provincial newspaper in a nation way out on the periphery of the horizon may yet prove to be more significant than a direct violent assault on the citadels of American power. September 11th was a bloody provocation that was met with a vigorous display of will: Within a few weeks al-Qaeda’s training camps were smashed to smithereens, and its patrons in Kabul had hitched up their robes and fled. The cartoon crisis was a minor, albeit murderous, affair that rippled across the globe to be met by a dismal lack of will by almost every panjandrum of western civilization, from European Union commissioners to Canada’s ghastly “human rights” regime. As the years go by, that seems the more relevant template.
If you kill large numbers of us in our own cities, we will hit back — probably (the Spanish didn't). But the effort is great and not without cost. So the prime minister who dispatched soldiers of the Queen to Afghanistan and elsewhere cannot defend core civilizational values either in his own country or at Yale. The "international community" has decided it can live with a nuclear Iran — and no doubt the nuclear Syria and nuclear Sudan and nuclear Somalia that will one day follow.
The president of the United States congratulates himself on his fearlessness in standing up for the right of a woman to choose to wear a hijab but won't say a word about the young Muslim girls murdered by their families in America, Canada, Britain, Sweden, Germany, and around the world for choosing not to wear a hijab. As is now traditional for the observances of the anniversary, the media offer their doleful reports on American Muslims' "fears" of a "backlash" against them, even though the post-9/11 period has been an era not of Islamophobia but of weirdly insistent Islamophilia. And in our broader culture, self-loathing, trutherism, and other fin du civilisation poses run rampant, even unto the heart of the government.
9/11 was bad news if you were enjoying the good life in a jihadist training camp in the Hindu Kush. But, over the long run, it was a useful lesson in the limits of western will.
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Karl Baba
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Yosemite, Ca
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Sep 11, 2009 - 07:04pm PT
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HWD wrote
"The problem is that most people do not know what it is like to work in an ER. You are a nursing student, no? I am a hospital administrator and very well know the happenings in the ER. The bottom line is that you simply cannot turn needy and sick people away at the door. Those who speak to all this glib rhetoric obviously have never been in a position to do so.
I am not condoning their illegal status but the bottom line is that they are people and you just can't kick them in the street to die when they are ill. Most people can't even do that with a dog or cat let alone a human. Talk is cheap when you have no personal experience with the subject."
Nice Post Bro. It would be nice if they could triage non-emergencies to a clinic run by nurses and PAs but the idea we can turn away humans from emergency care is barely human itself
Peace
Karl
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shut up and pull
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Sep 11, 2009 - 07:07pm PT
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And watching those friggin' Republicans apologize -- APOLOGIZE -- to Obama for Senator Joe Wilson's outburst -- sick. Joe Wilson was the only one in the room that night that had the balls to call Obama out -- call him a liar -- because that is what Obama was doing -- lying his ass off.
Obama:
1. No free health care for illegals -- lie!
2. No rationing of care -- lie!
3. Adding hundred of millions of people to health care dole won't run up the deficit -- lie!
4. We won't have panels that will decide what care you get when you get older -- lie!
5. Medicare won't be harmed by cutting $500,000,000 from it -- lie!
6. Our ultimate goal is not single payer with no insurance companies -- lie!
7. Our plan won't cause taxes to be raised on the middle class -- lie!
Joe Wilson -- you are a hero. You stood up to our lying fascist chief executive and said the truth. The fact that your party made you apologize to Obama because you were not "civil" makes me scream! The Dems boo'd Bush for years when he gave speeches! They called him Hitler and every vile name under the sun. And you just call Obama a liar because HE WAS LYING -- THEY ARE GOING TO ALLOW ILLEGALS FREE CARE.
God Bless Joe Wilson. Finally a Republican with a sack.
P.S. - lets see of the mainstream media will do any -- ANY -- investigation into Obama's favorite "community organizing" group ACORN -- after they are shown to routinely offer people ways to operate criminal enterprises, and hide the income from the government.
PSS -- just saw that the U.S. Census bureau just severed all ties with ACORN after the recent videos were released. ARE THERE ANY PAST ASSOCIATIONS OF OBAMA THAT ARE NOT EMBARRASSMENTS?
PSSS -- Now ACORN is saying that exposing their fraudulent/criminal activities is "racist"! Oh, ok. And I guess their decision to fire their dumbass employees was "racist" too? Classic.
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HighDesertDJ
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Arid-zona
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Sep 11, 2009 - 07:13pm PT
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HWD-
Yes I'm a nursing student and my entire family works in health care. I'm glad to see someone else with a real life view of these scenarios. The ideologue utopians that plague this issue are maddening when the reality of the situation requires so much more pragmatism.
As I said before: The smartest (and cheapest) things would be to simply insure everyone period to some extent to make sure that they can get basic care. As Obama said in his speech: roughly $1,000 per person that we spend in taxes and health insurance premiums go to cover the emergency services for the uninsured.
As an added twist, a lot of those undocumented people being seen in ER's and being assisted with public health funds in some way or another are the parents of US citizens. Denying them care denies care to their children (the citizens) and puts us in a position to have our governments taking over care of these children which is bad for the kids and bad for the taxpayers.
Being blindly opposed to illegal immigrants getting health care assistance is simply cutting off our nose to spite our face.
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philo
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boulder, co.
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Sep 11, 2009 - 07:27pm PT
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OH SUP PULLEASE!
What would have happened if a Democrat called Junior Bush a liar during a speech to congress?
And your have the temerity and ignorance to call Obama a fascist.
Whew what a piece of bad work you are.
And WierdLois, this statement; "Frankly, I like the VA model of care and I would like to see this practiced more widely in terms of health care", would be laughable if it weren't so irresponsible and cynical .
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shut up and pull
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Sep 11, 2009 - 07:28pm PT
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ACORN is getting exposed big time.
Ayers.
Wright.
Van Jones.
Saul Alinsky.
ACORN.
Hey Obama and libs -- nice friends you have.
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shut up and pull
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Sep 11, 2009 - 07:30pm PT
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Philo -- one question -- will illegal aliens be allowed free health care under Obama's "plan"?
Yes -- or -- no?
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Sep 11, 2009 - 07:33pm PT
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SUP why do you care?
If you think they will then prove it! And no, joe Wilson or Glen Beck are not sufficient sources,
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shut up and pull
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Sep 11, 2009 - 07:34pm PT
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Because that is why Wilson called Obama a liar.
Again -- yes -- or -- no?
I.e., was Wilson accurate or not in saying that Obama was lying about this issue?
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shut up and pull
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Sep 11, 2009 - 07:40pm PT
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Fact: Republicans have been trying to get Dems to pass an amendment to ban illegals from getting free health care -- the Dems have voted down each and every amendment.
So, when Obama-the-liar gets up and says, "Illegals will not get free health care" -- he is LYING - and Joe Wilson was dead-on right calling him on it.
Too bad the GOP threw Wilson under the bus. I am more sickened by the GOP these days than the Dems.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Sep 11, 2009 - 07:40pm PT
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Obama was not lying. Wilson is a boorish prig. Much as you appear to be.
Was Bush lying about WMDs? Or about the close connection between Iraqi and Al Quieda?
And should he have been called out for it on the floor of the congress?
Yes or No?
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