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monolith
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SF bay area
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Jul 29, 2013 - 06:55pm PT
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Check his posting history, if you dare.
Do you need help?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jul 29, 2013 - 07:27pm PT
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Days ago, immediately after seeing the photos, it took me all of five minutes to debunk the arctic Pole melt story. I simply googled Arctic ice cam's and noted the location of the ever moving observation buoys. The little meltwater photo was taken from a UW buoy 350 km from the pole. You know guys, its been the coolest summer on record above 80 north after the longest lasting winter in the history of the mid to upper latitudes of the northern hemisphere. The PDO is in it's negative phase and there are indications the AMO is likewise entering negative territory. Alaska (the poster child of global warming) is over a decade into a cooling trend thats seen the average temps decline at 19 out 20 official weather stations 2.4 f. The southern hemisphere is suffering, in wide ranging locales, from cold snaps of historic proportions. Antarctic ice is at historic highs (sea ice especially) and the continent has been in a slight but steady cooling trend for decades. The global temp anomaly for the month of june is minus 0.0129 c. The rocky mountain and plains states are unseasonably cool right now. The formerly supposedly CAGW induced drought states are suffering rainfalls of (albeit t-storms mostly) of epic proportions. Do i need to go on?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Jul 29, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
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As an excuse for you, Chief, Chiloe did say 3 days ago that the pics were not at the north pole, which seems past the limit of your memory.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Jul 29, 2013 - 08:52pm PT
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Or, sticking with an Alaska theme, this from BBC within the past hour:
The Alaskan village set to disappear underwater in a decade
Almost no one in America has heard of the Alaskan village of Kivalina. It clings to a narrow spit of sand on the edge of the Bering Sea, far too small to feature on maps of Alaska, never mind the United States.
Which is perhaps just as well, because within a decade Kivalina is likely to be underwater. Gone, forever. Remembered - if at all - as the birthplace of America's first climate change refugees.
Four hundred indigenous Inuit people currently live in Kivalina's collection of single-storey cabins. Their livelihoods depend on hunting and fishing.
The sea has sustained them for countless generations but in the last two decades the dramatic retreat of the Arctic ice has left them desperately vulnerable to coastal erosion. No longer does thick ice protect their shoreline from the destructive power of autumn and winter storms. Kivalina's spit of sand has been dramatically narrowed.
There's more, it's a good balanced story.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23346370
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 29, 2013 - 08:58pm PT
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^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jul 29, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
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It's no secret that the area of the Barent Sea offshore Norway and Russia has been increasingly ice free for at least a decade Ed. So what? That is not the Arctic any where near its entirety. With the cooling phase we are entering both Russia and Norway (territorial dispute solved and mutual cooperation contracts signed)may well thank the orthodox god's for Russias nuclear ice breaker fleet in coming decades. The production facilities may be located subsurface thereby alleviating problems due to ice flows.A little Polar melt in the immediate past and into an uncertain future is a good thing for this industry that has sustained our civilization for the last 100 plus years. Wind farms, solar farms, and taxing the public into serfdom not.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 29, 2013 - 09:47pm PT
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^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Jul 29, 2013 - 09:49pm PT
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The Chief was unable to comprehend:
No longer does thick ice protect their shoreline from the destructive power of autumn and winter storms. Kivalina's spit of sand has been dramatically narrowed.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Jul 29, 2013 - 09:59pm PT
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Sure, lets cause climate change and put us back to climates millions of years ago.
Are you claiming that the disappearing arctic ice is not a result of man caused warming?
Bogus paleo temp chart from the Chief coming soon.
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abrams
Sport climber
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Jul 29, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
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Kivalina. Why would they be living there?
On a shizzy sandbar! No boulders. No mountains to climb.
Surfing looks to suck also. Not our sort of dudes.
Maybe they'll develop some tech to stop the erosion that
can be transfered to help other gamblers that also built
their homes on quicksand.
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command error
Trad climber
Colorado
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Jul 30, 2013 - 12:48am PT
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So all that Chinese fly ash fallout onto the Arctic ocean has darkened it
and caused it to melt again, without any rise in temperature? Darn it!
Thank physics that most of the sunlight still gets reflected back into space from open water when the Sun is only a few degrees above the horizon. Also
the increased cloud cover may actually cause cooler the Arctic summers.
"the relationship between changes in sea ice and clouds, using satellite-derived sea ice concentration and cloud cover over the period 2000–2010. Results show that a 1% decrease in sea ice concentration leads to a 0.36–0.47% increase in cloud cover, suggesting that a further decline in sea ice cover will result in an even cloudier Arctic."
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2012GL051251/abstract
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 30, 2013 - 01:00am PT
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^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 30, 2013 - 01:14am PT
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^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 30, 2013 - 10:26am PT
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Chief Running Mouth apparently never gets tired of making himself look stoopid.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jul 30, 2013 - 12:14pm PT
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The Alaska presentation is old news, somewhat exaggerated , in need of a serious update minus the sensationalist hype. It looks like that meltwater photo trying to be passed off as the north pole a few days ago to me. What part of what i have been telling you guys do you not understand? The climate change is in reverse up here, has been for over a decade.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 30, 2013 - 12:16pm PT
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he climate change is in reverse up here, has been for over a decade.
really?
then how do you explain all time heat records broken across Alaska last month?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jul 30, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
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They weren't all time heat records Norton. Close but no cigar, the 1930's exceeded it a little in high temps and a lot in duration. This little heat wave immediately followed the longest delayed spring in history up here. After the little heat wave we had a two week period of cloud cover and unseasonably cool temps. Does this answer it for you Norton?
I take issue with characterization of liberals as more concerned about care/harm Bruce. They talk the talk but walk in reverse. How much of your capital has been directed towards charitable contributions to help your community. I've contributed 1.35 m over a twenty year period- all without fanfare, all towards real projects that help all.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jul 30, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
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For someone who touts how smart you are...
Sorry to disappoint you dude, but I don't tout how smart I am; just how dumb others are.
...it's surprising how socially/emotionally immature you are.
Yes, it surprises me on a daily basis.
These people you use as an example to make fun of are far, far better people than you.
Some, yes, absolutely; but not all. There was this one Down Syndrome kid in Jr. High School who forced a girl to undress in the hallway. He was a big dude with a bit of a violent streak. Luckily Mr. Wright, on his way to taking us to the principal's office for sk8ing the handrails in the main hall, found him and stopped it. I'm pretty sure I'm a "better person" than that.
They navigate life with severe cognitive impairments that aren't any fault of their own, giving 100% effort.
Some, yes, absolutely; but not all. But I think I see your point. The idiots here are clearly far behind, at least in terms of effort.
where you fly on the backs of wasps
Like riding the coat tails of White Anglo Saxon Protestants... lapping up their excrement, insisting to others it is delightfully nutritious.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jul 30, 2013 - 12:37pm PT
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Why all the personal attacks from the left side? Why all the squealing when you get it back from the Chief or others? If you can't realistically defend your dogma you have no choice i guess.
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