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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Nov 24, 2014 - 01:03pm PT
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I guess you have to be married to a gal from Mendocino to know why far Northern California is called Jefferson?
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Nov 24, 2014 - 01:19pm PT
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^^^
Nah. Most folks living in Oregon are well familiar with the "State of Jefferson" nonsense, as it includes some counties in OR, iirc.
To me: South of Grapevine = SoCal, Grapevine to SLO=Central, South Bay to Ory-gun border=NorCal.
Late this week we'll hit 85 in Riverside, and still dry as bone. Makes the BlackMtn/Idyllwild season a little longer, so I guess there is some upside (until fire season).
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 24, 2014 - 01:29pm PT
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considering most "political" boundaries are drawn with some arbitrariness, any of the versions could be considered "normal" if they had existed since the 1860's
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Nov 24, 2014 - 01:36pm PT
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DMT. You seem to be on a roll. Keep going.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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The goat-dish rain-gauge is registering 1 3/4" in the twenty-four hours ending this morning at 9.
It came down gradually for the entire day. No erosion issues this time.
Stay out of the ocean for a week or two, you people in Newport and Huntington. Who knows what's being flushed downstream from The I.E. by the first big storm in years? Whatever it is, you don't want to swim in it.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 12, 2014 - 11:01pm PT
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A lot of rain coming down the last couple days.
HOWEVER, it is easy to get lost in the water.
As of today, we are only at 40% of normal for this date--only 9% of the total for an average year.
So we are LESS THAN HALF OF NORMAL for an average year, for this date.
We are NOT on track to make up anything this winter, unless the trend changes.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Dec 13, 2014 - 08:52am PT
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Last year my friends cut down a Christmas tree in the local foothills.. dressed in shorts, sweatshirts, and had a picnic on the dry grass...This December..snow again..(-;
This year, Looking good ..Fingers cross...Hoot....
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bergbryce
climber
East Bay, CA
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Dec 13, 2014 - 09:03am PT
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Yeah, Northern California total precip well above average, snowpack well below.
I think with the last two storms we at least won't be limited to just a weekly flush next fall. Maybe one every three days?
Don't get me started on borders. As a Geographer, they are infuriating.
I like the map someone did that condensed the states down to something like this...
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Dec 13, 2014 - 12:12pm PT
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Undoubtedly, you have your doctorate in environmental law, and have a staff of similar people able to assess this measure------but I think not.
You keep simply making things up, because you don't want to support anything---it simply means that you have no credibility. Otherwise, if you want to be taken seriously, put your credentials up, and lets evaluate your ability to evaluate and make recommendations.
missed this, havent been on st much lately, and work's been busy.
Undoubtedly, you have your doctorate in environmental law, and have a staff of similar people able to assess this measure------but I think not.
well, sort of a "yes" to the first. but "no" to the staff. but yeah, i do sort of do this for a living. and i mostly try not to let personal feelings on these issues crank up my snark content. i also mostly try to present what seems to be a consensus take among folks i consider knowledgeable (which sometimes but doesn't always include the views of stakeholders, i.e., NDRC, TNC, CBD, Restore, etc.). i also try to avoid drawing on insider sac gossip, for a variety of reasons.
i don't always succeed, partly because i have personal emotional investments in the current crisis, and partly because posting on ST is a frickin time sink with basically no payoff of any kind for me at this point. i'll finish this post later after i clear off my desk. including all the water-related stuff
cheers
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Dec 16, 2014 - 08:43am PT
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Historic Los Angeles Precipitation (1876 - 2007)
...a graph of the rainfall data and shows the annual total (water year, Oct - Sept) precipitation in relation to the long-term average of 15 inches per year. This graph also indicates the running 10-year average
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Dec 16, 2014 - 09:11am PT
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The reservoirs are about at 50% of where they historically are at this time of year.
I would argue that reservoirs are a recent and artificial way of looking at California water.
Historically, it is what it is, until large numbers of people showed up with monstrous appetites and expectations.
We had way too much sex, produced a larger crop of humans than could be endlessly sustained, and now we are left trying to keep 8 juggling balls in the air, at all times........
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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Dec 16, 2014 - 09:19am PT
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as I am sure has been point out (but I'm not going to read this whole thread), the primary water storage vehicle for California is the snowpack. This is one reason why global climate change is going to have a big impact - more rain, less snow in the future for CA.
It is amazing all the information that the state has put on line. For the major storage via dams you can check here. As DMT notes, we are still way below average for this date.
http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cdecapp/resapp/getResGraphsMain.action
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CA.Timothy
climber
California
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Dec 16, 2014 - 09:27am PT
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bergbryce
I like the map you posted and think state boundaries should be redrawn to reflect drainage basins. Wont ever happen however...
and on a side note, the map you posted still has drainage regions split. Take the 4 corners for example.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 16, 2014 - 09:44am PT
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The forecast calls for rain for today.
The squirrels believe the forecast. They're doing the umbrella thing with their tails.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Dec 30, 2014 - 12:19pm PT
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dingus, you probably already know the stanford climate blog-- good post this weekn on the recent precip, snowpack, and short-midrange
http://www.weatherwest.com/
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Dec 30, 2014 - 12:53pm PT
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so john m., this past week darrell steinberg came out and committed to the public record what all the insiders already knew-- that the final water bond was to underwrite conveyance. jerry brown said the same thing a few weeks earlier at the new directions conference, but his comments didn't get transcribed, so we'll let darrell explain how he helped muscle up a bond that was "conveyance [i.e., tunnel] neutral":
Here’s the cream part of the story. By the way Westlands and the Met and some parts of the ACWA coalition said, ‘we don’t want that much money for the Delta.’ It’s not that they were hostile, but this is a negotiation in politics. In 2014, it’s Westlands and it’s the other stakeholders who are primarily interested in conveyance saying, ‘We want more money for the Delta, because more money for the Delta means that we’ll have money then to mitigate the environmental impacts of the conveyance.’ And the Delta stakeholders saying, ‘We don’t want any money for the Delta, because that’s going to be used as an excuse to further the tunnels.” So again, the difference between what you want and what you need. We ended up in the 2014 bond actually providing money that can be used by the administration for Delta ecosystem restoration, but we didn’t put it into a Delta pod, and we didn’t shine a big light on it so that it would be a big political con. Nobody was fooling anybody, but there was an art to making sure that money was available to help, although mitigation is largely a private responsibility, and not making it so obvious that it created a political problem.
the full transcript is at maven's:
http://mavensnotebook.com/2014/12/29/senator-darrell-steinberg-on-legislative-leadership-getting-to-a-two-thirds-vote-on-the-water-bond-and-other-seemingly-impossible-missions/
since you seem to try to be versed on water issues, i gather that you already know maven's and have probably already read this, but i doubt that other followers of this thread will have seen it.
and for the rest of you, maven's is the one site i read every day on water, simply because it's a top-flight news and aggregation site rather than a commentary or blog platform. if you dial up just one, this one should be it, although i also routinely follow and recommend aquafornia, hdrowonk, restorethedelta, onthepublicrecord, the ucdavis watershed science blog, peter gleick's waterinstitute blog, and jeff michael's blog on econ and policy for the valley at valleyecon
i'll do a couple more separate posts to talk about the other issues
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 30, 2014 - 01:24pm PT
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Jesus is watering my driveway today.
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Bob Harrington
climber
Bishop, California
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Dec 30, 2014 - 02:41pm PT
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klk, that's a good list of informative sites for California water issues. I'd add Mike Campana's Waterwired site, and Brown and Caldwell's news list (similar to Aquifornia).
Regarding current conditions, here's some data from LADWP's web site on current precip conditions for the eastern Sierra:
We're off to a bad start... The plot in the lower left gives snow water content in percent of normal for this date and compared to April 1, which is the approximate date of maximum accumulation. These are the same sites that you can find on the CDEC snow survey web site. The snow pillows are ranging from 16% to 43% of normal for this date, and according to the Mammoth Pass site, we're a little behind last winter.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Dec 30, 2014 - 02:44pm PT
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Surface schmurface....
How are them aquifers doing?
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Bob Harrington
climber
Bishop, California
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Dec 30, 2014 - 03:33pm PT
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Here's a map of California showing how groundwater levels changed from spring 2013 to spring 2014. It gives a pretty good overall picture of how groundwater levels have dropped in the San Joaquin, Santa Clara, and San Fernando basins (red), and many areas have held fairly steady (yellow) or dropped slightly (beige). There are some glaring blank spots on the map that are subject to a lot of groundwater pumping - e.g., SW San Joaquin Valley, Paso Robles, and Salinas Valleys. These data are from DWR's monitoring and from local agencies that are reporting water levels under the 2009 water legislation. The intent of that legislation was that local agencies would monitoring and report groundwater levels in their jurisdictions, but in many areas, local agencies have not adopted monitoring and reporting plans, hence the data gaps. Some of the areas that don't have monitoring and reporting plans have pretty serious problems, so if the data gaps were filled, this map would look even worse.
This map came from a CA Natural Resources Agency/Dept. of Water Resources report "Public Update for Drought Response," Nov. 2014, available at:
http://www.water.ca.gov/waterconditions/docs/DWR_PublicUpdateforDroughtResponse_GroundwaterBasins.pdf
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