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Bubba Ho-Tep
climber
Evergreen, CO
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Having strong opinions and being filled with hate and rage are two rather different things.
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Mimi
climber
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hahaha! Those sketches again. Deucie had some comments on that jive.
To you lovers who like taking shots: I'm real, I'm a woman, I still climb, I've done El Cap more than once among other walls, and I really do hate these clowns and don't mind holding a consistent position. The resulting attacks mean nothing to me because I know there are other climbers who agree and were there that summer watching the spectacle. And Steve doesn't need me as a proxy.
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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I'm just waiting to madbolter1 (one the FA goombees) to show up and edify us with one of his multi-page manifestos complete with some of his PowerPoint cartoons and lack of self-deprecating humor.
The fellow does not have an economy of language, that is for certain. PTPP too appears to be drinking from that well as of late.
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Mimi
climber
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I would say more like shining that pole. LOL!
Yeah, we're waiting for their return now that there's been a flood of lovers. Oh woe is us, for the Blather shall be visited upon us shortly.
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Bubba Ho-Tep
climber
Evergreen, CO
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Chief, you kind of beat me to it, but I was going to ask a serious question:
Mimi, have you ever met Mark or Richard in person?
I haven't.
Not loving or hating, just curious.
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Mimi
climber
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The Goon! Where in the hell do you get this idea? From something Pete posted?! You are in a league of your own when it comes to being delusional. You obviously can't read for comprehension at all because this whole shitstorm swirls around style, ethics and respect for tradition. And above all, forthright and honest reports about what went into the climb.
I know it appeals to your simple mind that this is some twisted yinyang saga. You need to try rubbing together a different group of brain cells. Try retiring the ones that connected Henry Barber and Jimmy Dunn to your stupid argument in support of the wannabes.
No, Bubba, I haven't had the dishonor of meeting either one.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Damn. Thats some bitterness.
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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I, for one, find it inspiring to know that each and every one of you has learned to use a computer.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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If Ammon can't rush up this thing, that says a lot
Peace
Karl
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Pass the Chongo, Chongo
Social climber
love, trust, and T*Rs nuts!
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I don't get why any one would back MIMI up?!?! I don't care how cool she is in person, I've heard her spew at the bridge before (not exactly my cup of tea) and it sure didn't seem any cooler there than on here. Mimi, I'm going to guess your over 40, possibly over 50. Your acting like a f*#king 10 year old boy. GROW THE F*#K UP!!!! Go use your passion and energy somewhere else. Do you realize how f*#king retarded you sound to every single person on here who does not choose to defend you off-line personality. Seriously, and I know this will just go in one ear and out the other like the other 200 posts telling you how f*#king absurd you sound. All you other f*#king loosers kissing her ass saying how cool she is in person need to shut the f*#k up and get with the program here. The non-stop vile slander of two people shes NEVER EVEN MET IN PERSON online is just f*#king insanity. So MIMI F*#K YOU AND ALL YOUR F*#KING SUPPORTERS. GO F*#K YOURSELF!
The only reason I say this is, I read this thread in hopes of hearing something cool and climbing related about WOS such as hearing about Ammon up there whipping like crazy, etc. But MIMI your posts DO NOTHING but detract from this, get off your washed up never has been ass and go meet those guys face to face and thell them how you REAL feel. Bitch.
PTCc
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Bubba Ho-Tep
climber
Evergreen, CO
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So Mimi, I gather that your beef involves "forthright and honest reports about what went into the climb."
From what I have read, the FA team admits to taking an excess of gear and 39 days as well as chipping hook placements and placing bolts and rivits.
What's missing that makes the reports less than forthright and honest?
Have the reports changed over time?
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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"... and I really do hate these clowns [Mark and Richard] ..."
OK, so you really are a Hater, Mimi?
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Mimi
climber
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Edited: PTCC, since you are so eager to hear about Ammon taking big whippers (that's really nice of you), why not have the sense to start your own thread on it? This thread was never intended to be about Ammon and Kait. Their efforts deserve its own thread, not here. So what if I never met them? You're giving my friends grief over the same point. Take a chill pill, punk.
Bubba, yes, the reports have changed over time. Since they re-emerged on climbing forums to reinvent themselves, they first held the position that every time the drill touched rock it was filled with metal, then a ladder of bathooks came to light, then a ladder of batheads came to light, and then the issue of 145 narrow Leeper Logan hooks and how those were made to work came up.
Skid (MSmith) posted the following provocative statement: "There are lots of enhancements on wos but you won't see them." Bwana has said 10% were enhanced with a drill before being used.
I don't know about you, but I don't think 10% qualifies as "lots," but we've been dancing around this issue the whole time. What flows forth from this figure is that 130 times (90%), Bwana or Skid reached up with that golden hook, and scratched around and made it work without resorting to a hammer and drill or chisel. Whether you accept this or not is entirely up to you, but that's the crux of the argument at this time.
Pete, don't think much of them and don't think much of you. Where's the news in that?
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rick d
climber
ol pueblo, az
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kevin-
this is aid climbing material:
no human has fingers thin enough for the vast majority of it. A clean line for 250' (there are 7 on this wall, this one was done to 160'). Next door was a super steep line on a tower that was FA'd by a forum member (with help on lower stuff by me) that again is too thin for fingers and rises 110' on its third pitch to the summit.
that is aid.
It is sad when I see photos of aliens next to crappy head placements- that is just laziness (especially Hudon's photos of stellite hard granite). A pin or head is never the first choice but aid climbers with some talent still have to reach for iron once in a while.
I am more pissed at holes and the drill. With age I reach less and less for the drill and avoid electric drills like the plague. I think the issue has always been the improvements made on WOS. Maybe Ammon's ascent will clear up the myths. The thing to remember is WOS is just a variation and not a bottom to top line and follows a slab- something most who haul loads dread.
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Pass the Chongo, Chongo
Social climber
camped on P3 of WOS
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YOUR SERIOUSLY going to tell ME TO TAKE A CHILL PILL?!?!?!?! BITCH. GO CLIMB OR CHOP OR VISUALLY INSPECT UP CLOSE WOS,,, find out for YOURSELF whats REALLLY going on up there,,, and QUIT F*#KING WHINING. LOVE THE FACT you LOVE to call Richard and Mark names("Bwana and Skid" on that note with choices like that you do sound like a 50 year old woman wash up has been, and thats for sure!), BUT YOU can not handle being called out ON ANY LEVEL, and then MUST RESPOND AND BE RIGHT about it ALL!!! YOUR F*#KED, and I don't give a sh#t, end of f*#king story!
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT!
PASS THE F*#KING CHONGO,,, CHONGO
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Prod
Trad climber
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Who inspected the route and chopped the first 2 pitches prior to the meeting with the Park Service?
Prod.
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Bubba Ho-Tep
climber
Evergreen, CO
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Mimi, thanks for the replies.
First I have heard about the supposed "bat hook ladders" and "bat head ladders" - guess they are not on the first six pitches since those have reportedly been done more than once. (But then I don't have time to go read a couple thousand posts, hence the questions)
Are these ladders confirmed by a reliable source or just a rumor? Photos?
Seems pretty short sighted for the FA party to not mention them - it's not like a repeat party wouldn't find them, thus busting the FA team.
If it's a rumor, what happens if Ammon and Kait don't find these ladders?
What if it really is just a bunch of enhanced hook placements connected by the occasional bolt or rivit?
On the subject of hook enhancements, assuming the truth is being told, it doesn't matter if 10% or 90% were chipped to me except that one seems exponentially lamer than the other. Obviously, I am in the "chipping is weak sauce" department and it doesn't matter to me who did the chipping, Bridwell, Jardine or the WOS team. And, if the enhancements are as light as it sounds, you would never know the true number anyway.
(Not to be dissing the Bird as his resume speaks for itself but I do think there were some bad decisions made, esp. on the Sea, which I have done)
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