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bluering
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Santa Clara, Ca.
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We should have fewer conversations, less listening, and more SHOUTING?
Dirtbag, you blind fool. Obama didn't give a rat's ass about bipartisanship or listening to ideas until the American people almost revolted against the Congress.
THEN, he changed his selfish, arrogant tune. Not because he gives a crap, because he's SELLING an agenda.
Gimme a break!
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dirtbag
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Sep 10, 2009 - 12:00am PT
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Give you a break?
You're advocating mob rule: you'd like to see Jerry Sringer replace civil discourse. The sad thing is, you're in good company.
No, I'm not going to give you a break.
And btw, images of screaming, heckling, southern white men, angry at just about everything, especially that upity negro foreign born socialist muslim president, is not a great way to win elections.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Sep 10, 2009 - 12:01am PT
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George Stephanopoulos, ABC News
I...think this might have been the most emotional speech I've ever seen President Obama give. He was right on the edge of anger, it seemed, at times, especially when he was rebutting some of the charges made about his plan. And I don't think I've ever seen him get caught up emotionally in the way he did in those final couple of paragraphs, where there was even a catch in his voice -- not even in his inaugural address in January. This is very close to President Obama's heart. (ABC TV)
E.J. Dionne, Washington Post
But for all of the details, the most striking aspect of the address may have been its call to battle: The days of taking incoming fire without any return volleys are over. [...]
It seemed as if a politician who had been channeling the detached and cerebral Adlai Stevenson had discovered a new role model in the fighting Harry Truman. For the cause of health-care reform, it was about time.
Ed Kilgore, The New Republic
Many observers will focus on the style rather than the substance of the speech: the president was obviously passionate as well as wonky, and very emotional in his wind-up tribute to the late Senator Kennedy. Even though I didn't think coming in that he had to move public opinion, he may have actually done that. But if nothing else, he's set the stage for positive action in Congress, laid down the markers he needed to lay down, and in general, regained some serious momentum for health care reform.
Andrew Sullivan, The Atlantic
A masterful speech, somehow a blend of governance and also campaigning. He has Clinton's mastery of policy detail with Bush's under-rated ability to give a great speech. But above all, it is a reprise of the core reason for his candidacy and presidency: to get past the abstractions of ideology and the easy scorn of the cable circus and the cynicism that has thereby infected this country's ability to tackle pressing problems. This was why he was elected, and we should not be swayed by the old Washington and the old ideologies and the old politics. He stands at the center urging a small shift to more government because the times demand it.
Ezra Klein, Washington Post
Thought this was Obama's most effective policy speech by far. This is not a format he's done very well at in the past.
Josh Marshall, Talking Points Memo
Taken together I thought President Obama did a solid job laying out the essential elements of his reform, rebuking the liars and laying out some beginnings of an elevating vision of just what this whole effort is about.
Just what the effect will be, I find it difficult to predict. In part that is because so much of the pushback over August (not withstanding reasonable policy disagreements with the broad outlines we know of Obama's reform) has been a hash of paranoia, organized lying and militant frivolity that I'm not sure it's an easy thing to judge the direction of this in anything approaching rational terms.
Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio)
I've been here for a decade and a half, it's the best speech I've ever heard to a Joint Session. It had a sense of history but a focus about moving forward. It was as specific as it needed to be.
Rachel Maddow, MSNBC
The president gave what I think is the only full, basically formal, at length defense of liberalism and defense of the idea of government for the people's good, in ideological terms. It's the most ideological I've ever heard him be and I think liberals will be happy.
Karen Tumulty, Time
The White House promised more detail tonight, and in that sense. the speech delivered--if only to make more explicit many of the things that Obama has only tacitly dealt with before. But it was a move that was badly needed at this moment. Within the House Chamber, he has provided the guidance that lawmakers have been begging for. But the real question is this: Has Obama provided the reassurance it will take to bring back the rest of the country?
John Nichols, The Nation
What Americans who have waited "nearly a century" for reform were left with was the prospect that the "great unfinished business of our society" -- as the late Edward Kennedy described the pursuit of universal health care in a last letter to Obama -- might remain unfinished under a president who means well but does not necessarily fight well.
David Corn, Mother Jones
The speech did put Obama center-stage in the health care show. But the words will dissipate quickly. Politicians and pundits will not be quoting them next week. What matters now is how the president and his aides handle the ongoing deal-making. Obama has demonstrated he can make swell use of the bully pulpit--even if this exhibition came perhaps late. But with this speech, he probably set up the final stretch as best he could. Now Obama has to wrestle with the politicians of Capitol Hill and make good on all those powerful sentiments--to define the character of the country and the character of his presidency.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 10, 2009 - 12:02am PT
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So many delicious tears. So many. Mmmmmm. Keep pasting those desperate blog posts. The screams of terror as you cling to the torn shreds of demogoguery will keep me awake at 4 am tomorrow as I drive to go spend a day with disabled Navajo children.....none of whom would have any sort of health care without various government agencies. I'll make sure to tell them you are thinking of them.
In a certain way Rox is right.....and the reality of our system is that far too many people make far too much money off the way that health care currently works for it to change in the radical manner that you (and ideally,I) would like. Obama spoke to you in his speech though. The goal is to get people affordable health care. You can not afford $3800 and neither can I. I'm not sure why your plan is that high, but under Obama's plan you would e able to at least get catestrophic coverage for less than that.
It doesn't have everything I dreamed for, but that is why it's so great. In the end it could very well see most of my goals met, and that's what it's about.
*edit* I almost forgot. Props to the O man for calling a spade a spade and using the L word. It's about time someone did.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 10, 2009 - 12:04am PT
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And frankly, much of Obama's speech was good and agreeable. However, his selling of the PO isn't good and ain't right. It seems intentionally vague so it can be twisted in what they want.
I did agree with the Repub counterpoints too, for the most part.
So, there may be some ground to start on. For Obama to pull the crocodile tears crap and sob stories that this has to be done NOW, was the final straw for me.
Very indicative to me that they're pulling a fast one. What's the rush? Pass the seperate parts in seperate bills on Congressional votes.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 10, 2009 - 12:07am PT
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TMJESSE, now post conservative publication's views of the speech.
All you did was post lib crap.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 10, 2009 - 12:09am PT
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Hahaha bluering. So bitter.
Also FYI my iPhone autotexts your name as "blurting.". How apropos.
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apogee
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Sep 10, 2009 - 12:11am PT
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"So, there may be some ground to start on. For Obama to pull the crocodile tears crap and sob stories that this has to be done NOW, was the final straw for me.
Very indicative to me that they're pulling a fast one. What's the rush?"
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 10, 2009 - 12:12am PT
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Obama and congress -- sold out to the insurance lobby.
Hey, Rocky, did you miss the part about big Pharma still being able to make lots of money still too???
Oh, Obama, he's sooo righteous. I had a shiver up my leg!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 10, 2009 - 12:15am PT
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Apogee, so why not pass each part of the bill independetly? Wouldn't that at least get the ball rolling, instead of another OMNIBUS, obscure, spending crap bill that only benefits lobbyists?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Sep 10, 2009 - 12:16am PT
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Moosie, nukes distract from good discourse....
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apogee
climber
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Sep 10, 2009 - 12:16am PT
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What's the rush, bluering? Are you daft, man? This issue has been present for decades!!!!
You don't think it's a big deal, because you currently have insurance through your employer, and are still young enough that you nor your family have never had any significant medical issues. Of course you don't think there's an emergency- you have what you need, so what's the problem?
Jeebus H Cripes, bluering, you are so fecking self-oriented.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 10, 2009 - 12:18am PT
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"Moosie, nukes distract from good discourse...."
Isn't that what shouting at townhall meetings and during speeches does?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 10, 2009 - 12:19am PT
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Aw Captain, was just trying to make a point to the Blue guy. I deleted mine, will you delete yours?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 10, 2009 - 12:24am PT
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bluering-
Why are you so eager to preserve a wasteful system that wastes billions of taxpayer dollars and makes those of us who HAVE insurance pay more through offset costs so that those WITHOUT insurance can go to the ER for a chest cold? Why are you fighting so hard to keep that system? I mean other than that Obama is FOR changing it of course.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 10, 2009 - 12:26am PT
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Well shazbutt. Now I wish I hadn't given you the idear.
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apogee
climber
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Sep 10, 2009 - 12:29am PT
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Moosie, thanks.
Skully, please.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 10, 2009 - 12:29am PT
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terrorist wolf fist bump
...for rokjox
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
Boise....
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Sep 10, 2009 - 12:30am PT
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Alright Ap....I like courtesy.
Roxjox is a sheep lovin' lyin' as#@&%e.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Sep 10, 2009 - 12:30am PT
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LOL, now thats really going to work well at getting what you want. You taking lessons from Crowley?
Rox, I agree with your post about this plan not really helping those who really need it. I don't understand the 3500 dollar fine. Too many people can't pay that.
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