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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Wow! It is amazing to me how Mimi's bitterness has apparently poisoned her ability to reason, or to read.
Please have a look at this post, where Mark and Richard describe in excruciating detail precisely how many enhancements they made on Wings of Steel, and how they made them:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=963934&tn=0&mr=0
Here is an example of one of the diagrams Richard produced:
You guys really need to have a read of this post, because it is highly relevent to the discussion.
The short answer is, Mark and Richard micro-enhanced about ten percent of the placements, in other words about 15 in total. They did not drill their way up the slab, as Mimi [and others] used to contend, which has been discovered to be untrue, yet which she continues to contend. There is no evidence of bat holes or chipping or anything more invasive than precisely what Richard and Mark described in the link above. In spite of continuing accusations, the first ascensionists have not waivered in their assertion of what they did, nor have they changed their story.
Most significantly, what they said they did has been observed to be true by The Chief, me, and now Kait and Ammon.
Evidently what they made truly were MICRO-enhancements, since no evidence of them remains visible to the eyes of either me or Ammon and Kait. The bat holes Mimi has accused them of drilling in previous posts have failed to materialize. While you can argue whether micro-enhancing a hook placement on Wings of Steel is legit or not, the same way you can argue doing the same on Sea of Dreams is legit or not, or the same way you can argue chiselling a head rather than drilling a rivet is legit or not, a reasonable person can no longer say that Mark and Richard have lied about or misrepresented what they did.
Yet even now, Mimi continues to accuse Mark and Richard of lying and misrepresentation, or of not being forthright in explaining how much they drilled, when it has not only been explained, but also now supported.
It is amazing to me that this behaviour persists, when as more and more hard factual eyewitness testimony is presented, the more it appears that Mark and Richard have pretty much told the whole truth on every level.
Does the repetition of her lies and accusations - once considered back in the day by most everyone to be the truth but now debunked - somehow make them continue to be true? And this in spite of overwhelming and mounting evidence to the contrary, including the eye-witness testimony of myself and Ammon and The Chief?
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HalHammer
Trad climber
CA
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Mimi= Wrong her whole life and too big of a poser has been now to admit it or comprehend.
Support wings of steel!
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bringmedeath
climber
la la land
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Mimi has to be a dude in disguise with a small johnson...
Sometimes I wonder if it's just steve posting under the name? It just seems like too much hate for some old lady.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Mimi is a real person (woman), lively company, and (I've heard) a competent climber. An entertaining person to spend time with, and it's no secret, someone with some strong opinions. Not at all a mouthpiece for Steve, or vice-versa. Maybe that Cajun thing.
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Bubba Ho-Tep
climber
Evergreen, CO
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Having strong opinions and being filled with hate and rage are two rather different things.
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Mimi
climber
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hahaha! Those sketches again. Deucie had some comments on that jive.
To you lovers who like taking shots: I'm real, I'm a woman, I still climb, I've done El Cap more than once among other walls, and I really do hate these clowns and don't mind holding a consistent position. The resulting attacks mean nothing to me because I know there are other climbers who agree and were there that summer watching the spectacle. And Steve doesn't need me as a proxy.
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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I'm just waiting to madbolter1 (one the FA goombees) to show up and edify us with one of his multi-page manifestos complete with some of his PowerPoint cartoons and lack of self-deprecating humor.
The fellow does not have an economy of language, that is for certain. PTPP too appears to be drinking from that well as of late.
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Mimi
climber
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I would say more like shining that pole. LOL!
Yeah, we're waiting for their return now that there's been a flood of lovers. Oh woe is us, for the Blather shall be visited upon us shortly.
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Bubba Ho-Tep
climber
Evergreen, CO
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Chief, you kind of beat me to it, but I was going to ask a serious question:
Mimi, have you ever met Mark or Richard in person?
I haven't.
Not loving or hating, just curious.
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Mimi
climber
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The Goon! Where in the hell do you get this idea? From something Pete posted?! You are in a league of your own when it comes to being delusional. You obviously can't read for comprehension at all because this whole shitstorm swirls around style, ethics and respect for tradition. And above all, forthright and honest reports about what went into the climb.
I know it appeals to your simple mind that this is some twisted yinyang saga. You need to try rubbing together a different group of brain cells. Try retiring the ones that connected Henry Barber and Jimmy Dunn to your stupid argument in support of the wannabes.
No, Bubba, I haven't had the dishonor of meeting either one.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Damn. Thats some bitterness.
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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I, for one, find it inspiring to know that each and every one of you has learned to use a computer.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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If Ammon can't rush up this thing, that says a lot
Peace
Karl
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Pass the Chongo, Chongo
Social climber
love, trust, and T*Rs nuts!
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I don't get why any one would back MIMI up?!?! I don't care how cool she is in person, I've heard her spew at the bridge before (not exactly my cup of tea) and it sure didn't seem any cooler there than on here. Mimi, I'm going to guess your over 40, possibly over 50. Your acting like a f*#king 10 year old boy. GROW THE F*#K UP!!!! Go use your passion and energy somewhere else. Do you realize how f*#king retarded you sound to every single person on here who does not choose to defend you off-line personality. Seriously, and I know this will just go in one ear and out the other like the other 200 posts telling you how f*#king absurd you sound. All you other f*#king loosers kissing her ass saying how cool she is in person need to shut the f*#k up and get with the program here. The non-stop vile slander of two people shes NEVER EVEN MET IN PERSON online is just f*#king insanity. So MIMI F*#K YOU AND ALL YOUR F*#KING SUPPORTERS. GO F*#K YOURSELF!
The only reason I say this is, I read this thread in hopes of hearing something cool and climbing related about WOS such as hearing about Ammon up there whipping like crazy, etc. But MIMI your posts DO NOTHING but detract from this, get off your washed up never has been ass and go meet those guys face to face and thell them how you REAL feel. Bitch.
PTCc
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Bubba Ho-Tep
climber
Evergreen, CO
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So Mimi, I gather that your beef involves "forthright and honest reports about what went into the climb."
From what I have read, the FA team admits to taking an excess of gear and 39 days as well as chipping hook placements and placing bolts and rivits.
What's missing that makes the reports less than forthright and honest?
Have the reports changed over time?
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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"... and I really do hate these clowns [Mark and Richard] ..."
OK, so you really are a Hater, Mimi?
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