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Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Okee dokee, Jon started the OP with this little tidbit.
Led by the soon to be incarcerated Ammon Bundy
Judging by the video I posted earlier of the Sheriff offering them a safe escort out of the state, that's looking less and less likely. At least the "soon" part. Did anyone watch that mid-road chat after the town meeting? I thought it was interesting.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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What always fascinated me about that picture is the other yahoos nearby with their heads above the barriers.
I never viewed tham as being with the yahoos. They seemed like passerbys who were astounded at the fake drama.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Derris Devon McQuaig, a certifiably mentally disturbed fellow, has filed transfer deeds claiming he owns both Petco Park and Qualcomm stadium in San Diego.
McQuaig tried to take ownership of Petco away from the city and Padres by submitting a simple deed transfer at the County Recorder’s Office in late 2013.
There’s essentially no chance of McQuaig taking control of the property because no actual sale or transaction took place, but the document clouds the legal title to the ballpark and has forced city and county officials to spend more than two years trying to resolve the situation.
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"We don’t know how he ended up in San Diego — he disappeared from Riverside County about two years ago," she said, explaining that the couple had been estranged for a few years before his disappearance.
She also expressed concern and frustration that family members hadn’t been contacted since the county district attorney launched a felony fraud case in 2014 against McQuaig for the bogus title transfer.
That case ended without a conviction on Dec. 16 when Superior Court Judge Steven Stone determined McQuaig was not mentally competent to defend himself, appointed a public conservator to oversee him and ordered him to spend three years in a psychiatric facility where anti-psychotic medication can be administered against his will.
"I’m still figuring out how it got to this point, but nobody tried to find the family to tell them where he was," Jennifer McQuaig said. "We would have liked to have control over his well-being instead of the state."
This does not generate a lot of confidence in the legal processes in the good old U.S. of A.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Standard practice by the Montana Feemen and other separatist groups. They filed liens on judges, LEO's and even reporters.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_Freemen
They eventually got long jail time, whereupon one of them filed a lien on Madelain Albright from Jail!
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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StahlBro, does that guy play a banjo?
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Lollie right on target as usual.
LMAO!!!
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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That Rolling Stone link is pretty funny.
The Bundy militiamen are like a Black September version of an Iron John forest retreat: a bunch of weepy middle-aged guys who dressed up in crisply pressed outdoorswear and took over a bird sanctuary so they could play outlaw for a few days while they "worked on themselves."
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 8, 2016 - 07:26pm PT
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What is going on behind closed doors, what happens in Malheur stays in Malheur until it gets posted on the internet
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/oregon_standoff_idaho_militia.html
MadBum 8 minutes ago
"Did you bring condoms?" Jed whispered. "Not to worry, we're protected by the 1st and 2nd Amendment" Ammon replied.
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notauntsusan
notauntsusan 7 minutes ago
@MadBum Tears filled Jeds eyes, there was no turning back.
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CMarija
CMarija 6 minutes ago
@MadBum unbuttoning his blouse with trembling fingers..
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CMarija
CMarija 5 minutes ago
@MadBum instinctively, his body arched toward him, take me dead or alive, but take me now...
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@CMarija @MadBum He worked his way down to the Militia Super Shooter belt buckle on his lovers wranglers. (Purchased on sale at BiMart.)
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hyp@notauntsusan @CMarija @MadBumhypnotized by his touch, he tingled under his nubby rough nail bitten finger tips, gusts of desire shook them
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notauntsusan
notauntsusan just now
@CMarija @notauntsusan @MadBum There was a smell of semen and half chewed Skoal in the room, that permeated his world and drove him madly to the source of his desire.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Lollie
What do the folks internationally think about these posers????
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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So the ranchers feel fenced in by the Feds. So ranching is a tough life. So they have a helluva time making a living. This is nothing new. No one's forcing them to keep ranching.
How many of them have made a fair offer to buy land from the Feds? Or do they expect it to be given to them?
I never hear that side of the story.
Many of them believe that the Federal land is somehow magically theirs. They conveniently forget that the Feds originally gave their predecessors the land they already own. After the Feds took it from the Native Americans.
Every square millimeter of land in the Americas not presently owned by native tribes was taken by the Federal government or white, or Mormon, and a very few black, settlers. With only very small exceptions it was not purchased from the original inhabitants. We are all "freeloading" off the aboriginal peoples.
I never hear that side of the story.
Bundy won't even pay his grazing fees (probably can't now that the bill is over $1million).
How many of these yahoos are chipping in to a fund for Bundy's taxes?
The Hammonds really screwed up and are now accountable to the law. They have accepted their sentences. I respect them for that.
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Norton
Social climber
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Bundy won't even pay his grazing fees
THAT is what angers me the most, that he got a free ride off public land for years
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WBraun
climber
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Crybaby little whiny bitch ^^^^
You people are insane ....
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John M
climber
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HighT.. I agree that some of them whine. Especially those saying the feds don[t have the right to own land. But I have also seen the highhandedness of the Feds and I don't doubt that at times they really screw people over. In that story I linked, the rancher talks about young people being assigned to oversee things, people with no ranching experience, and how difficult it can be to deal with them. That kind of story resonates with what I have seen and heard and it reminds me of climbers relationship with the park in the past.
I suppose we could all just go climb someplace else. Or work someplace else. But why not try to adjust things so that they are more equitable? Some people are so bitter that they can't do this, which reminds me of some climbers attitudes towards rangers, but others try to change things. Much like Ken Yager did by starting facelift and involving climbers in something positive, which changed many rangers attitudes. Of course if we just focus on these nuts in Oregon, then we can just continue to have a mess.
By the way.. do you enjoy a steak? Someone raised that beef. And yes.. I know responsible ranchers. And not all of them have trouble with the Feds. Much like I know climbers who don't have trouble with the Feds. That doesn't mean that trouble hasn't or doesn't exist.
Its the rare person who couldn't stand to learn a little compassion.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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After the Feds took it from the Native Americans.
Every square millimeter of land in the Americas not presently owned by native tribes was taken by the Federal government or white, or Mormon, and a very few black, settlers. With only very small exceptions it was not purchased from the original inhabitants. We are all "freeloading" off the aboriginal peoples.
I never hear that side of the story.
You bring up an interesting point. Re: Indians vs. US, I don't think that any reasonable person would describe it as anything but a war.
And there are traditions in war, true since there have been tribes: You take the land of the loser, it becomes that of the winner. The people become slaves or are killed. The property of the vanquished is divided up.
Remember that the main motivations for war is to take something that someone else has.
This changed, as far as I know for the first time, in WWI and II (although there was some land grabbing) In II, Russia basically followed the old model, and amazingly, we did not.
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