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son of stan

Boulder climber
San Jose CA
Nov 22, 2014 - 10:43am PT
I'm not wrong to think that all the rain happening in norte California
is dampening my drought hysteria a little.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 22, 2014 - 11:24am PT
San Jose is in northern California?

my wife, born in Mendocino County, always drew the line such that San Jose was included in SoCal...


and wow, declaring the drought over based on mid-November rain... great call!
WBraun

climber
Nov 22, 2014 - 11:27am PT
Of course the drought is over.

It's raining right now.

When it stops raining tomorrow the drought will be on again.

Just see my expert many years in the business scientific analysis ...... :-)
son of stan

Boulder climber
San Jose CA
Nov 22, 2014 - 12:08pm PT
Must have been that Jonathan Gruber liar taking over the
government educated Ed Hartouni's account.

He would never make such a terribly wrong statement
during this time of floody drought.

map
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_California





Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 22, 2014 - 12:16pm PT
Northern California starts in Marin County.

San Jose and San Francisco are in Central California.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 24, 2014 - 09:25am PT
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/politics/San-Diego-Eyes-Recycled-Water-Project-in-Drought-Conditions-283058261.html

“San Diego Approves $3.5B Recycled Water Project”.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 24, 2014 - 09:33am PT
that's only for optics. the compromise language let the delta folks say it was "tunnel neutral," but it's not. almost everything in it is part of the mitigation to make it easier for EPA to approve the tunnels project.


it is NOT tunnel neutral.

The Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) offered support for Proposition 1, despite some environmental groups opposing the measure. The following is an excerpt from a post on why the group supported the proposition:
“ NRDC fought hard to ensure that legislators crafted a bond that’s good for California’s environment and economy. And while it’s not perfect, it has broad bipartisan support and is backed by conservation groups, local water districts, business and labor leaders, editorial boards all around the state… because we all know that this bond does as much as it can for as many people and groups as possible, while ensuring that our tax dollars go as far as possible to address California’s water needs.
So here’s why we support Proposition 1:
1. Prop 1 will strengthen California’s water system by investing in much-needed local water supply projects like water recycling, groundwater cleanup, stormwater capture, water conservation, and other regional water supply projects around the state. The vast majority of these funds will go to local water districts (Prop 1 generally requires a local match for projects). Using a transparent and competitive grant process will help ensure we get the most bang for the buck and create significant new, sustainable water supplies for communities around the state...
2. Prop 1 will help provide safe drinking water for all Californians, with an emphasis on disadvantaged communities. It’s estimated that more than 1 million Californians (and possibly as many as 3 million!) cannot safely drink the water that comes out of their tap because of contamination from arsenic, nitrates from agricultural pollution, perchlorate from industrial pollution, and other toxics. Most of these households rely on groundwater in rural communities and are not connected to a water treatment plant or water district.
3. Prop 1 invests in environmental restoration projects around the state, including funding for the San Joaquin River, the Salton Sea, the L.A. River, and coastal habitat, as well as water supply to the state's wildlife refuges. Prop 1 would make significant investments to help restore the health of rivers, wildlife, the coast and watersheds across the state, in many cases working through local conservancies that have a strong track record of success. This helps sustain salmon and other native fisheries (and the thousands of jobs that depend on them), helps provide healthy rivers for the public to enjoy, and can help create new water supply (for instance, through mountain meadow restoration or through floodplain restoration that helps with stormwater capture and groundwater recharge)...
4. Prop 1 does not advance the State’s $25 billion flawed Bay Delta Conservation Plan, the proposal to build two massive tunnels under the Delta and divert unsustainable amounts of water...
5. Prop 1 is not earmarked for new dams. Critics cite concerns about funding for surface and groundwater storage, but this simply isn’t the case...
Ultimately, NRDC is committed to making sure that Prop 1 funds are well spent. We’ll continue to watch over bond spending and work to ensure that economically infeasible and environmentally harmful dam projects like Temperance Flat are not funded from the bond or built.[6]

—Natural Resources Defense Council[19]

Note number 4. Undoubtedly, you have your doctorate in environmental law, and have a staff of similar people able to assess this measure------but I think not.

You keep simply making things up, because you don't want to support anything---it simply means that you have no credibility. Otherwise, if you want to be taken seriously, put your credentials up, and lets evaluate your ability to evaluate and make recommendations.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 24, 2014 - 12:21pm PT
whoever "son of stan" is...


fits better than the Wiki page... who drew that one anyway? who, a canadian bloke who lives in LA and is a libertarian...


Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Nov 24, 2014 - 01:03pm PT
I guess you have to be married to a gal from Mendocino to know why far Northern California is called Jefferson?
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Nov 24, 2014 - 01:19pm PT
^^^
Nah. Most folks living in Oregon are well familiar with the "State of Jefferson" nonsense, as it includes some counties in OR, iirc.

To me: South of Grapevine = SoCal, Grapevine to SLO=Central, South Bay to Ory-gun border=NorCal.

Late this week we'll hit 85 in Riverside, and still dry as bone. Makes the BlackMtn/Idyllwild season a little longer, so I guess there is some upside (until fire season).
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 24, 2014 - 01:29pm PT
considering most "political" boundaries are drawn with some arbitrariness, any of the versions could be considered "normal" if they had existed since the 1860's

johntp

Trad climber
socal
Nov 24, 2014 - 01:36pm PT
DMT. You seem to be on a roll. Keep going.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Dec 3, 2014 - 11:39am PT
The goat-dish rain-gauge is registering 1 3/4" in the twenty-four hours ending this morning at 9.

It came down gradually for the entire day. No erosion issues this time.

Stay out of the ocean for a week or two, you people in Newport and Huntington. Who knows what's being flushed downstream from The I.E. by the first big storm in years? Whatever it is, you don't want to swim in it.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 12, 2014 - 11:01pm PT
A lot of rain coming down the last couple days.

HOWEVER, it is easy to get lost in the water.

As of today, we are only at 40% of normal for this date--only 9% of the total for an average year.

So we are LESS THAN HALF OF NORMAL for an average year, for this date.

We are NOT on track to make up anything this winter, unless the trend changes.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Dec 13, 2014 - 08:52am PT
*
Last year my friends cut down a Christmas tree in the local foothills.. dressed in shorts, sweatshirts, and had a picnic on the dry grass...This December..snow again..(-;

This year, Looking good ..Fingers cross...Hoot....
bergbryce

climber
East Bay, CA
Dec 13, 2014 - 09:03am PT
Yeah, Northern California total precip well above average, snowpack well below.
I think with the last two storms we at least won't be limited to just a weekly flush next fall. Maybe one every three days?



Don't get me started on borders. As a Geographer, they are infuriating.
I like the map someone did that condensed the states down to something like this...
klk

Trad climber
cali
Dec 13, 2014 - 12:12pm PT
Undoubtedly, you have your doctorate in environmental law, and have a staff of similar people able to assess this measure------but I think not.

You keep simply making things up, because you don't want to support anything---it simply means that you have no credibility. Otherwise, if you want to be taken seriously, put your credentials up, and lets evaluate your ability to evaluate and make recommendations.

missed this, havent been on st much lately, and work's been busy.

Undoubtedly, you have your doctorate in environmental law, and have a staff of similar people able to assess this measure------but I think not.

well, sort of a "yes" to the first. but "no" to the staff. but yeah, i do sort of do this for a living. and i mostly try not to let personal feelings on these issues crank up my snark content. i also mostly try to present what seems to be a consensus take among folks i consider knowledgeable (which sometimes but doesn't always include the views of stakeholders, i.e., NDRC, TNC, CBD, Restore, etc.). i also try to avoid drawing on insider sac gossip, for a variety of reasons.

i don't always succeed, partly because i have personal emotional investments in the current crisis, and partly because posting on ST is a frickin time sink with basically no payoff of any kind for me at this point. i'll finish this post later after i clear off my desk. including all the water-related stuff

cheers
zBrown

Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
Dec 16, 2014 - 08:43am PT
Historic Los Angeles Precipitation (1876 - 2007)

...a graph of the rainfall data and shows the annual total (water year, Oct - Sept) precipitation in relation to the long-term average of 15 inches per year. This graph also indicates the running 10-year average

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 16, 2014 - 09:11am PT
The reservoirs are about at 50% of where they historically are at this time of year.

I would argue that reservoirs are a recent and artificial way of looking at California water.

Historically, it is what it is, until large numbers of people showed up with monstrous appetites and expectations.

We had way too much sex, produced a larger crop of humans than could be endlessly sustained, and now we are left trying to keep 8 juggling balls in the air, at all times........
Mike Bolte

Trad climber
Planet Earth
Dec 16, 2014 - 09:19am PT
as I am sure has been point out (but I'm not going to read this whole thread), the primary water storage vehicle for California is the snowpack. This is one reason why global climate change is going to have a big impact - more rain, less snow in the future for CA.

It is amazing all the information that the state has put on line. For the major storage via dams you can check here. As DMT notes, we are still way below average for this date.

http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cdecapp/resapp/getResGraphsMain.action

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