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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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Jan 14, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
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Riley wrote,
Sociopaths just have no shame man..
no wonder they have the leg up on all us folks of conscience, empathy and normal emotion..
We are living in a sociopath's world man - they just allow (us) to hang around to fill the sucker role.
You ever wonder if you're forthright to a fault? (cf: honest to a fault)
I do. :)
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nah000
Mountain climber
canuckadia
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Jan 14, 2013 - 08:34pm PT
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+1 for what GDavis wrote about 15 posts back.
sure they all doped. what appears to be unique to armstrong is the level of character assassination, financial threatening and psychological manipulation that he brought to all of those who dared "cross" him.
it'll be interesting to see if oprah allowed herself to be a part of an apology charade...
if she doesn't, for starters, ask how he plans to address all of the people he's f*#ked over, that's exactly what she will have done.
that she's letting him phone this in from a hotel, likely with all of his lawyers and support staff just off camera, is not a good sign.
looks as though maybe oprah's getting desperate for viewers and lance found another patsy...
hope she proves me wrong.
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SicMic
climber
two miles from Eldorado
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Jan 14, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
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Sheryl looks pretty smart now for dumping the Juice.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 14, 2013 - 08:56pm PT
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sure they all doped. what appears to be unique to armstrong is the level of character assassination, financial threatening and psychological manipulation ...
I wrote in an email to a friend over three years ago that I was sure Lance Armstrong doped along with many of the other riders. At the time I said it was a shame because I admired the guy.
Now folks are saying he was in a class of his own. I'm not going to spend time reading the books, but would someone summarize, briefly if possible, the evidence for the statement above?
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Jan 14, 2013 - 09:04pm PT
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Fear...I read Hamiltons book...Those pros were idiots spending all that money to blood dope and it seems they spent all their spare time stressing about getting their blood transfusions instead of relaxing and recovering...Talk about neurotic...RJ
No shite eh? Millions of dollars according to Hamilton.
And getting the others guy's f'ing blood transfused! Holy crap!
If Hamilton was lying, he's one of the best!
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Jan 14, 2013 - 09:07pm PT
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Thanks for posting Riley- a very interesting read.
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John M
climber
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Jan 14, 2013 - 09:13pm PT
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Some people on this thread said "so what if they doped". They should read what NIcole Cooke had to say in Riley's post.
What a shame.
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The Lisa
Trad climber
Da Bronx, NY
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Jan 14, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
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zBrown, you can read the USADA's Reasoned Decision against Lance as a PDF online, or download it and read at your leisure. It lays out testimony and statements step by step against Lance. Half the content is footnotes so do not be put off by the number of pages. It is a chilling read. http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/ReasonedDecision.pdf
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Jan 14, 2013 - 10:17pm PT
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According to what I just read, Lance admitted to drugging during his
interview with Oprah today. . .
On TV Thursday!!!!
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John M
climber
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Jan 14, 2013 - 10:24pm PT
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I guess that there will be a lot of new Oprah watchers on thursday.. haha.. I thought she retired.
I wonder if her show will end up on a taco banner.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 14, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
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ok THANKS THE LISA - not small, but searchable
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mynameismud
climber
backseat
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Jan 14, 2013 - 11:04pm PT
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I do not think Lance will admit that he took steriod, blood transfusions, EPO, Testosterone. I think he just says yes people who raced at this time doped.
I do not think he apologizes to individuals. I do not think he apologizes to Zabrinski who swore to never dope and was actually able hang with the best while clean but just could not get out and lead. He eventually had the choice, dope or quit. He doped a couple of years then retired. Shame since he was one of the most naturally gifted riders to put on a jersey.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jan 14, 2013 - 11:52pm PT
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Slime is slime.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jan 14, 2013 - 11:55pm PT
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The question now is whether Armweak said or did anything that exposes him to prosecution. Hopefully there's a prosecutor or investigative committee somewhere with the jurisdiction and moxie to give it a shot.
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grover
climber
Northern Mexico
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Jan 14, 2013 - 11:58pm PT
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Sheryl looks pretty smart now for dumping the Juice.
she was dating O.J?
I'm confused :)
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Jan 15, 2013 - 12:26am PT
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And the winner is... Oprah. That's it. Everyone else loses - the rest of the people he raced against, him, his friends, cycling, everyone. Even those that KNEW he doped just win confirmation, wahoo....
Oprah has her niche, man. That's who you call. Like running a flood cleanup business.
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John M
climber
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Jan 15, 2013 - 12:30am PT
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The problem with these type shows is that they have to tred such a fine line. If they ask too hard of questions, or come down to hard, then no one would come on the show. Thats why Barbara Walters asked such soft ball questions of the Shah of Iran when she got the interview. Too hard of questions means no interview.
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Roughster
Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
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Jan 15, 2013 - 02:05am PT
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In a sport that has self admitted to be so far on the cutting edge that it is defined to be about doing what will be illegal tomorrow, today, it doesn't come as a surprise. Regardless, if some small kid living down the road being raised by a single mother came to dominate a sport that 90% of people didn't even know was a sport from Vacaville, I would be the first to do what I could to help.
It is funny how in the financial "sport" of gaining wealth, it is accepted, more like applauded, to "bend" the rules for ones own gain, but in sport being on the cutting edge makes you a target. If you take a drug that will be illegal tomorrow does that make it illegal today?
No one can deny the dudes work ethic was beyond his time. No one can deny the guy was up against a peleton that was just as doped as he was. No one can deny that 90% of the players you cheer for every Sunday are even more doped than Lance, they just have a better union.
IMO no one can deny Lance's story is the greatest underdog story ever written. Its all about the man in the arena. Fvucke the critics.
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orangesporanges
Social climber
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Jan 15, 2013 - 02:15am PT
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Roughster.
I won't deny, but can you proove that Lance trained harder than everyone else out there?
As for doping though. His teams really were a step ahead of the others.
Road cycling makes me want to puke on my dck
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John M
climber
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Jan 15, 2013 - 02:17am PT
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Seems like Nicole Cooke's story as posted by Riley is more of an underdog. Refusing to use drugs against people who do take drugs.
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