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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 28, 2012 - 05:33pm PT
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I saw that stabbing story on the national news Ron - ABC. And the story was posted TWICE on this thread (once by Cragman, once by TGT). I commented on it.
In the same vein, don't make the mistake of believing every shooting story makes the national news though. The vast majority don't!
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bullfrog
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 28, 2012 - 05:35pm PT
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Dont tell that to the stabbing victims, or stabbing victims to be in the UT Smiths store!
I wasn't arguing that concealed carry was entirely ineffective, only that it was too easy to get in CO. A well trained individual with a gun can stop some crimes. (Note in your case tht it was handgun vs Knife)
Way to jump from a logical argument to an emotional appeal though.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 28, 2012 - 05:51pm PT
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I have a Concealed Carry License.
It involved some 18 hours of "classroom" talk about self defense and a little on handgun laws, the instructor acknowledged the course material could have been covered in four hours but State Law required 18 hours.
Then with about two hours left, we all trooped out to the shooting range.
It sure was not about demonstrating handgun proficiency!
We fired 21 rounds in total, from 7, 14, and 21 feet at a big easy target
everyone "passed" the course, including a 76 year old woman who had a 22 pistol
SO, the real purpose of Concealed Carry is to acknowledge that there are people who want to carry and do not want their gun hanging in the open, and to get those people into the police computers after background checks and taking the class.
Everyone in the class was serious and respectful, no rabid Rambos, and there was a good number of females in the class which I liked to see them take a proactive stance on their own self defense. All in all, Concealed Carry Licensing is a GUD thing.
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bullfrog
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 28, 2012 - 05:53pm PT
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Ron, from my perspective there are two things I see going on here. One the American tendency to paint things in black and white terms removing all nuance from the discussion. Two, the nature of news being sensational and typically about rare events. If it happens all the time it's not news it's statistics.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 28, 2012 - 06:12pm PT
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Shack thinks we should know every idiotic detail about some stupid gun to know that crazy people shouldn't be able to shoot folks on mass with them.
Yeah, that's what I said, gee yur so smart. Dumbass.
Way to mischaracterize my posts. Typical idiotic liberal ploy.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 28, 2012 - 06:29pm PT
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Ron - in the research literature on Crime/Violence and the Media, there is a phrase called "The Backwards Law". This refers to the fact that if you see something on the news (especially local news), that it is likely a less common event.
Homicide makes up less that 1/2 of 1% of all violence in the US (violence defined as rape, sexual assault, robbery, aggravated and simple assault). Yet, news most often focuses on homicide. This wouldn't really matter except that as a result, the public believes they have a much larger chance of being a victim of homicide than other things that they really do have a decent chance of experiencing.
Same, btw, goes with terrorist attacks. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but many believe they have some ridiculous chance of being a victim of a terrorist versus something they really are at risk of! Why? The new focuses on any act of terrorism. Did you see immediately after the Aurora shooting how some were looking for the terrorist angle? (Maybe I saw more info since I live here and the shooter was a student at the university where I teach).
When we look at homicide specifically, the Backwards Law is also in effect. That is, the homicides that are generally shown on tv tend to be different-race homicide - that is white-on-black (e.g., Zimmerman/Martin) or black-on-white. Rarely do they show the same race homicides. Or really odd ones like where a 7 year offs his five year old sister. Rare.
Like anything there are exceptions to this rule. But anyone who believes the news is there to give a fair presentation in terms of prevalence of violence (or other events) is sadly mistaken. Look instead for the more rare items - that's what makes the new interesting to the public. That's what makes people turn on and watch. And that is what they are in business for.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 28, 2012 - 06:47pm PT
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Laugh it off if you want to Riley, but I don't find it funny when someone posts a blatant lie about me.
Where have I or anyone on this thread posted that crazy people should have access to guns?
I'll take my thoughts elsewhere.. I don't care if you want to post your opinion, just get your facts straight.
Name-calling serves no purpose in any debate,
You're right Cragman, my apologies to Riley.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 28, 2012 - 07:08pm PT
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Apology accepted.
I hear you're a good guy too.
Sorry about your bad day.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 28, 2012 - 07:15pm PT
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Yeah, It would be great to finally meet you guys as well.
Miller always talks highly of Riley, though I have do question his memory sometimes! LOL!
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 28, 2012 - 07:20pm PT
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OMG! Russ, where did you dig that up from?
I was taking the M60 armorers class! Hahaha!
Edit: I've been outed! LOL!!!
Those were from BITD, when The Taco was fun...
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 28, 2012 - 07:29pm PT
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Right on Russ!
Thanks for not posting the really embarrassing photos!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jul 28, 2012 - 08:38pm PT
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Russ do you still have that more, um, relaxed photo (shop) of Shack in his office?
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 28, 2012 - 08:45pm PT
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Ha! Those are oldies but goodies. Shack's a great guy. Looking forward to seeing him again in a week or so!!!
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 28, 2012 - 08:54pm PT
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Jaybro, are you implying those photos were doctored? LOL!
Who would do such a thing!
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 28, 2012 - 08:55pm PT
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HAHAHAHA! Oh man! I'd not seen that in a while. Good times!
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jstan
climber
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Jul 28, 2012 - 09:22pm PT
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By CHRISTINA NG (@ChristinaNg27) and JACK DATE
July 27, 2012
One week after Colorado's movie theater shooting, Maryland cops arrested a heavily armed man who told his employer he was a "joker" who was going to "blow everybody up."
Police said today they believe they "thwarted a massacre."
The suspect, identified as Neil Edwin Prescott in a court document obtained by ABC News, was being dismissed from his job. He made threatening statements to his supervisor at least twice on Monday, police said.
Prescott had an arsenal of about 25 firearms at his residence, including semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and handguns, according to a police affidavit. Police said he also had high powered scopes and magazines and thousands of rounds of ammunition in "40 large steel boxes."
http://abcnews.go.com/US/man-claiming-joker-threatens-blow/story?id=16869716
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barry ohm
Trad climber
escondido, ca
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Jul 28, 2012 - 09:29pm PT
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I thought this was the places to share Beta on climbing , trip reports and keep in contact with people that have pasion for the outdoors,
But One thought is never give a AK47 to a monkey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhxqIITtTtU
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 28, 2012 - 10:19pm PT
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You call that a "large cache of weapons"?
Sheesh! Pitiful.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 28, 2012 - 10:30pm PT
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I don't think you understand the NRA.
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