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bmacd
Trad climber
100% Canadian
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Pressed for time but big picture tells us government corruption in play again. Gordon Campbell legacies linger.
BC FOR SALE
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bmacd
Trad climber
100% Canadian
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The gondola is going in so f*#k the discussion. Let's focus on the big picture which is the whole sale destruction of the environment by the federal government as puppets of the Chinese and big oil. The erasure of decades of sound institutions by Harper.
Glen Woodsworth how about getting the ball rolling on a new thread regarding that one.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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I just want to say how much I like B.Macd's latest mini-photo at the left of his posts.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Bruce K, the S2S gondola propaganda only describes their little nature world as part of the proposal. Biking, skiing, climbing, etc are not part of the planning of this deal. These activities are only listed as possible and nothing assures that the proponents will do anything to open access to roads or upper elevation terrain. Getting guaranteed access for these activities should be the least of the concessions from these folks that want to carve a swath out of Class A parks.
As for comparisons between Cham and Squish, Squish stacks right up there. It is nice to go climbing without being terrified the entire time... at least these days!
What to you may be crummy second growth blocks are to most of the visitors from around the world, amazing forests.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Bruce, a fair number of people seem to share my concerns, to a greater or lesser extent. How about addressing the issues:
 Should land be removed from Class A parks, at all?
If so, should it be removed from this park, which was only recently created after a lengthy public process?
Why isn't there an independent, resourced, inclusive process to examine the proposal? Just as when the park was created? Rather than a largely local, fragmented process mostly controlled by the developers?
The pros and cons of the proposal, the claims of the developers, and all the other details.
You yourself showed that beliefs that the project would lead to better access to the Habrich road weren't borne out by the facts - the developers only said that they hoped access would be as good as it is at present (i.e. poor). You're not much interested in the process, so how about turning your eagle eyes on the developer's other claims?
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MH2
climber
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they carry exactly the same weight as my views
Do you know Sabine? I doubt very much whether your views carry as much weight as hers. We could discuss it when you visit this weekend.
Not that I could tell what Sabine's view was vis a vis the gondola.
edit:
Damn! I posted at 5:13 but SuperlaidbackintimeTopo only gave me credit for 5:11
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Off topic, as usual, but did TLC purchase, or trade land for, the Malemute?
Can you shed some light on that Anders, please?
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Bruce, a good cumulative impact review would have looked at all those issues and offered a variety of perspectives and most likely a series of potential alternatives. Even if this was not part of an open public process, it should have at least been performed to give information to the legislators and decision makers. The lands matrix needs to be included with such an analysis so future planning can provide for subsequent adjustments as required by potentially adding more use to the Crown lands.
I would guess we here at ST have discussed more ideas, potential impacts, outcomes both good and bad, than the legislators and decision makers will have done.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Oh wow, looks like the first 1000 was just a warmup....
Hey Hamish, my apologies if my post came off as a call out. Not my intention to get in a mudslinging match with anyone on here but only to debate & provoke thought. I will post in more detail later to further explain as there have been a lot of interesting posts on this thread today.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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May 10, 2012 - 09:56am PT
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Really? It's over? No more Special Kay? Fun while it lasted.
See you on the gondola.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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May 10, 2012 - 10:49am PT
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I'm staying right here, even if I have to talk to myself.
How about the Klahanie site? Seems prime for a makeover and another pedestrian (shannon falls tourist) overpass.....
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Hoser
climber
vancouver
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May 10, 2012 - 10:51am PT
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Done,
The Klahanie site parking area is now pay parking...maybe it was in response to people parking there instead of shannon falls.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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May 10, 2012 - 10:58am PT
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I suspect they'll keep punching the shannon falls parking lot to the north. Two days ago it was three quarters full and that's early May.
Off topic, as per usual, but... Whistler bike park annual riders: 50,000 @ a min. of $40 per = 2 mil/5 mo.= $100,000/wk.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 10, 2012 - 11:36am PT
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Be careful - when you say things like "I suspect", people like BK, ghost, ahd HF will jump on you. (Speculations by developers exempt from this.)
I suspect it's almost certain that there would be a direct off-highway road connection through the parking are for Shannon Falls Park to the gondola base area, for buses. That would be their bread and butter, if the thing works at all.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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May 10, 2012 - 11:48am PT
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At least you said it first. You're bang on Anders.
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MH2
climber
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May 10, 2012 - 12:08pm PT
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The Klahanie site parking area is now pay parking...maybe it was in response to people parking there instead of shannon falls.
Know anything about the parking down toward the ferry? That doesn't seem to be pay but whose is it?
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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May 10, 2012 - 12:51pm PT
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Hamish, you edited your post below my last one for some reason, too bad- i appreciated it??
BTW whistler does over 100,000 mountain bikers per year, please try to cut down on the imaginary figures.
read here on page 14:
http://www.whistlerblackcombholdings.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=240837&p=irol-presentations
Haha this thread is hilarious.
Enjoy your gondola everyone, what with all the imaginary mountain bikers & imaginary bike trails & imaginary bike "hooks" it should be spectacular. FYI at every single DH mountain bike area in BC the bikes are brought up on trays that are installed on existing chair frames on every other chair. There is not a single one that uses a gondola, so yeah good luck with all that. I'd be surprised if they let anyone cram mucky bikes inside their brand new sit-down gondola cabins either. Watch out Whistler- you are going down! Our imaginary bike park is going to be way better than yours, oh wait ..they don't even have an imaginary bike park up there yet- we are way ahead of them! Having a hard time getting your real bike up to the imaginary park? No problems, just take the imaginary public access road up there & do shuttle drops! Hahaha.
Notice how the developers like to speculate as well, just like us, in this case the word "could"
& "potential" is used.
From the developers site:
What are the plans for Phase 1 and Phase 2?
To develop the business in a way that ensures long-term viability, we are being conservative with the staging of the facilities to be able to grow with the projected visitation.In Phase 1, the base terminal is envisioned to incorporate a small retail shop, a small cafe, washrooms for guests and administrative facilities. The top terminal will include a food and beverage facility with indoor seating for 150 people, a small interpretive area, a viewing deck, washrooms and an outside area for outdoor and group events. A one-kilometre loop trail will provide interpretive features to help people learn about the past, present and future of the area while showcasing the spectacular views to Howe Sound, north over The Chief to Garibaldi, and the Squamish Valley.Phase 2 of the Sea to Sky Gondola project will be designed to accommodate future visitation and deliver additional experiences. The bottom terminal could incorporate a larger retail and rental offering, potentially a larger food offering (such as an ice cream stand) and a possible activity concierge area. The top terminal would incorporate expansion of our food and beverage offering, a possible indoor location for group events, an interpretive centre with a theatre and museum space, a guides’ bureau, equipment rentals, and a possible First Nations cultural retail experience. Additional outside experiences at the top terminal could include interpretive tree walks, forest experiences and new trails.
What activities will be available at the top?
The top terminal has the potential to provide access to mountain top viewing areas, interpretive walks, hikes, cross country mountain bike trails, snowshoeing, a West Coast inspired lodge serving a high quality locally produced menu, and a theatre experience highlighting the history, culture and activities in the area.
A clever bunch for sure.
And Bruce you are absolutely right, i have emailed the developers to ask some questions regarding their business plan, probably a much better way to receive new information (legitimacy of their words debatable) than through all the stuff we make up here. I'll let you know if/when i get a response. Sadly, i don't think it matters much at this point. Again, despite my sarcasm, respect to all of you and your opinions. For comedic value alone this thread should live a long illustrious life.
Bmacd's new thread is very interesting, i don't have much to contribute on the topic but it is a very important subject which i believe this is relative to this gondola proposal process in many ways.
Edit: Whistler used to use their gondola for DH biking as it is the taller kind which can accommodate bikes. I do not believe this type of cabin is made anymore as it is uncomfortable as hell.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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May 10, 2012 - 01:11pm PT
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I agree; very uncomfortable.
I know I mentioned this about 750 blurbs ago; baby steps.
I don't expect a mtn. bike mecca on openning day, but perhaps this is a step in that direction? Could be.
Also, 100,000 mtn.bikers/yr in whistler? Wow. I got that 50,000 # off of one of their websites; perhaps it was an old one... I guess you could round that off to a million bucks/month in riders; not too shabby.
Thank-you for the real info.
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Hoser
climber
vancouver
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May 10, 2012 - 03:27pm PT
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Know anything about the parking down toward the ferry? That doesn't seem to be pay but whose is it?
says no parking private property, there is a small strip next to the lamp for a couple cars that seems to work.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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May 10, 2012 - 03:45pm PT
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Hi Ryan.
Patience Grasshopper; Rome wasn't built in.....
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