Discussion Topic |
|
This thread has been locked |
Studly
Trad climber
WA
|
|
|
Jan 24, 2012 - 10:34pm PT
|
The Leo Dickinson post was awesome. I can see both sides, and who is to say who is right and who is wrong.
|
|
Hummerchine
Trad climber
East Wenatchee, WA
|
|
|
Jan 24, 2012 - 10:52pm PT
|
Alright, I admit...I'm confused.
I think it's insanely cool that Italians are posting...in Italian!
But I don't get it. How do they know what to post unless they speak English and can understand the previous posts written in English?
And if they understand English, why are they posting in Italian on an Engish website where almost no one will understand what they have written?
|
|
Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
|
|
|
Jan 24, 2012 - 10:55pm PT
|
If they post in English almost no one will understand what they have written.
|
|
deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
|
|
|
Jan 24, 2012 - 11:25pm PT
|
This thread should have ended with Leo Dickenson's post, which says it all.
|
|
bmacd
Mountain climber
100% Canadian
|
|
|
Jan 24, 2012 - 11:54pm PT
|
This thread should have ended with Leo Dickenson's post, which says it all.
Yes please ... save these Italian morons from further self humiliation, stop responding to them. the opportunity for great discussion has long since past and been wasted
|
|
philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2012 - 12:04am PT
|
This thread brought Leo Dickenson to post, and that says it all.
|
|
mike m
Trad climber
black hills
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2012 - 12:06am PT
|
What the hell is wrong with people? James I hope the kids in that video are sitting in jail right now.
|
|
healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2012 - 01:07am PT
|
It seems strange to me that the pictures of the bolt lines and clusters wouldn't immediately make the whole affair crystal clear to anyone who even glances at them, but if you're still confused after Leo's post, then you probably aren't going to 'get it' no matter how many posts this stretches out to.
|
|
WBraun
climber
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2012 - 01:17am PT
|
Healy
Sometimes you're just cold stone.
Maestri's epics on the Torre represents a mad passion, an insanity, an intense romantic affair, it's a huge part of "LIFE"
played out on the grand scale, that's bigger than him, that's not stale, bland, and boiled down to just mere hardware.
Right or wrong in the eyes of us mere mortals we miss this so many times .....
|
|
philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2012 - 01:28am PT
|
Which Googlates as
typical phrase of those who have no more arguments to defend its case, or that has no more excuses to defend their mistakes
|
|
philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2012 - 01:38am PT
|
They are still pissed that the Indians discovered Columbus.
He was also lost you know.
|
|
philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2012 - 01:45am PT
|
Which google translate suggests says this.
and is not to be paiazòt from zirco, desmisiete OK, sure. Would you like fries with that?
|
|
philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2012 - 01:55am PT
|
It's a tough job but some body has to do it.
|
|
healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2012 - 02:06am PT
|
Werner: Healy Sometimes you're just cold stone.
Maestri's epics on the Torre represents a mad passion, an insanity, an intense romantic affair, it's a huge part of "LIFE" played out on the grand scale, that's bigger than him, that's not stale, bland, and boiled down to just mere hardware.
Most guys just go get drunk, get laid and call it good when so suffering - not contact Atlas-Copco and arrange to airlift a gas station to the end of the earth in order to drill a thousand bolts.
[ Ok, ok - truth be told - I did call Sears about a compressor in '76 while planning a go at Asgard, but in the end I couldn't afford the extra dogs it would have taken... ]
|
|
Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2012 - 02:09am PT
|
Kimbo wrote:
hmmm not sure you or anybody is in a position to know exactly what maestri's motivations were.
I strongly agree that motivations are difficult to assess,
so we should not trust our judgment of them.
It takes very strong evidence to prove a motivation,
such as a direct statement from the person.
I haven't read Maestri's books or interviews,
so I don't know what he may have stated.
While I don't like what he did,
and it sounds like he was not a very nice guy,
and he has that tragic history with the mountain,
I am not going to make a big guess on his exact motivations.
The same applies to other judgements people have made in this thread,
such as the motivations of Kruk and Kennedy.
(Somebody thought the chopping was a statement about how they were better
climbers than Maestri, for example.
I don't see much proof for that, and I think there are better explanations).
Or the motivations of Garibotti
(Somebody said he is motivated by a big ego.
He is definitely researching history.
I don't see how a big ego is required.).
The actions of a person are what matters;
their motivation is of second order,
unless they are still active and you want to predict what they will do next.
Ditto for internet discussions - what the person said is first,
why they said it is second order and you could easily be wrong trying to guess it.
|
|
Hummerchine
Trad climber
East Wenatchee, WA
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2012 - 02:21am PT
|
Ahhhhhhh
Google Translate....cool....
|
|
philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2012 - 02:33am PT
|
First off, Rolo is not a man of aggressive ego. He is a quiet and humble man of high intellect, who is also one of the finest alpinists in the world today.
Secondly, according to friends who spent time with K&K, Hayden is extremely well versed on the history and significance of Patagonian climbing.
|
|
philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
|
|
|
Jan 25, 2012 - 02:46am PT
|
More bolts, need more bolts.
And cow bell.
|
|
|
SuperTopo on the Web
|
Let us know!