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WBraun
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Jul 12, 2015 - 05:34pm PT
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Science has no consciousness
It is the supreme consciousness, the impersonalists always get this part wrong and that's why they too fail.
Modern scientists lost their way and devolved into limited destructive gross materialism.
Thus they ultimately have no clue and remain fixed in resorting to inconclusive mental speculation .....
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Jul 12, 2015 - 08:41pm PT
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Jgill: . . . you sound a little like a pot dealer telling a novice to "toke up" and see for yourself
. . . And what would be wrong with that? (ML)
Absolutely nothing. As you imply, they are comparable experiences.
Any categorization will do that. (Talk to me about data. How do you NOT categorize data? And if you don’t, what do you think you have gotten a hold of?) (ML)
Well, Category Theory is a mathematical enterprise and a lot more than simply categorization of data. But it's weird enough that it might be a mathematical start for JL.
From Stanford Enc. of Philosophy: Category theory is both an interesting object of philosophical study, and a potentially powerful formal tool for philosophical investigations of concepts such as space, system, and even truth
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 13, 2015 - 07:31am PT
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to what has no physical extent
"There is no such thing"
The gross materialists ultimately have no clue and thus are limited only to their own limited source of just plain mental speculation.
In the end ULTIMATELY the gross materialists have NO clue because they have zero clue of the actual source
and thus remain fixed in the results of their imperfect mental speculations ....
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Jul 13, 2015 - 05:33pm PT
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The gross materialists ultimately have no clue and thus are limited only to their own limited source of just plain mental speculation. . . .In the end ULTIMATELY the gross materialists have NO clue because they have zero clue of the actual source and thus remain fixed in the results of their imperfect mental speculations ....
A point well and forcibly made.
;>)
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Jul 13, 2015 - 05:45pm PT
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Are mathematicians gross materialists?
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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Jul 13, 2015 - 05:49pm PT
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MikeL
Social climber
Seattle, WA
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Jul 13, 2015 - 08:02pm PT
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Duck: It is the supreme consciousness, the impersonalists always get this part wrong and that's why they too fail.
Everything is God. (Now. . . let’s try to talk on this level.)
Objectivizing anything is a misunderstanding—even objectivization. But we can still talk, and occasionally point at something.
That’s good, Cintune. (Check out Mise en abyme.)
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jul 14, 2015 - 08:15am PT
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who's having the experience?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/14/science/a-close-up-for-pluto-after-spacecrafts-3-billion-mile-trip.html
'At 11:17 p.m. Monday, the spacecraft, by design, was to stop talking to Earth and start almost 22 hours of programmed choreography, repeatedly firing its thrusters to pivot among Pluto, Charon and four smaller moons, taking a multitude of measurements.
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For those 22 hours, no one will know the fate of New Horizons. There is a chance — tiny, but greater than zero — that New Horizons could run into something as small as a pebble and come to a catastrophic end.
If it does not, the spacecraft will turn its antenna back toward Earth around 4:20 p.m. to send a message that it survived and a brief summary of how the day went. Four and a half hours later, the time it takes light to travel three billion miles, the message will arrive at mission control, around 8:53 p.m. “That’s going to be a very highly anticipated event,” Dr. Stern said. “I think we’re all going to breathe a final sigh of relief at 9 p.m.”'
sounds like New Horizons is...
after all, we 'know' that watching the video is not the selfsame as being there...
we'll know what happened around 6:00 pm PDT.
Maybe Largo can talk to his car pool about what their job is... JPL is interested in having the best people involved in teaching their spacecraft what is likely about the encounters out there, and how to behave in order to obtain the best data possible.
These theories are a part of the spacecraft's basis of operations, and provide the intentions that animate their actions. Being so far away, 4 and a half light hours, means the spacecraft has to act autonomously, orchestrating a large number of technical tasks with a very high reliability both to ensure the survival of the spacecraft, and to obtain that precious data, that is transmitted back to Earth to our waiting eyes.
Good luck New Horizons!
Godspeed.
we await your answer to the question "how did your day go?"
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jul 14, 2015 - 08:09pm PT
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cool, New Horizons had a great day...
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/15/science/space/nasa-new-horizons-spacecraft-reaches-pluto.html
'“We always talk about the spacecraft as being a child, maybe a teenager,” Ms. Bowman said during
a news conference after the flyby. “There was absolutely nothing anybody on the operations team
could do, just to trust that we had prepared it well to set off on its journey on its own.”'
what a journey, what an experience... and over the next few days we'll get to learn more about it as
New Horizons communicates just what it did experience.
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Jul 14, 2015 - 08:11pm PT
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Awe.
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 14, 2015 - 08:24pm PT
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Yes ... the stooopid American way.
Fuk everything up at home and then stare at Pluto .....
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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Jul 14, 2015 - 08:48pm PT
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yes werner,
i was just this evening
sucking down some frozen yogurt
staring at my species:
this way-pregnant chick
sucking down cigarettes.
and i turn to my daughter
and utter,
"humans. we can get
to pluto but we can't
even stand in our own shoes."
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Jul 14, 2015 - 09:50pm PT
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Too bad we Kant know what Pluto really looks like.
;>(
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jul 14, 2015 - 10:03pm PT
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as New Horizons communicates just what it did experience.
Ha, that sounds funny:D
don't you mean, New Horizon will transfer the information in which we inquisit?
It is a strange feeling of awe when we peer into someone else's backyard.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jul 14, 2015 - 10:29pm PT
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don't you mean, New Horizon will transfer the information in which we inquisit?
ah, no... as the above quotes indicate, we prepared New Horizon to strike out on a journey to Pluto (and beyond) somewhat independently. In particular, we couldn't communicate with the spacecraft as it got farther away because the time it takes light to travel... at Pluto this is more than 4 hours.
So the spacecraft operated autonomously... executing a tasks on the journey we all agreed to...
In every way it had the experience, we didn't, we are sitting down here waiting for the "phone call home" to see what happened.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Jul 14, 2015 - 10:31pm PT
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Amazing image captured by New Horizon on second pass of planet shown on right:
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jul 14, 2015 - 10:48pm PT
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at Pluto this is more than 4 hours.
So cool. If we could spit a lugee at 31,000 mph it would take 9 yrs for it to hit Pluto. But we can see it's reflective light in only 4hrs? So when we're looking at it it's actually 4hrs(or tens of thousands of miles) beyond in it's orbit?
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Jul 14, 2015 - 10:53pm PT
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Excellent, Ward. Kant complain!
One cannot say that Disney World has no physical extent.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Jul 14, 2015 - 11:14pm PT
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Now it will be forever impossible to " unsee" the cartoon dog when looking at this otherwise stunning photo of Pluto... I mean the planet.
Neil deGrasse Tyson tweeted today:
Dear Pluto,
Lookin’ good. But you’re still a Dwarf Planet — get over it.
Love, Neil deGrasse Tyson
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