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Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 7, 2014 - 10:13am PT
I'm not meaning to target your employer, but this sort of thing is the height of irresponsible activity by a company.

I mean, what kind of idiot puts in water-intensive landscaping in a major fashion out in the desert? Then in a major drought, just keeps going?

How much better a neighbor would it be if it converted the landscaping, and offered the water (at a slight profit) to the local water agency? Or directly to the public?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 21, 2014 - 08:23am PT
" A jury could decide Monday if resident Fernand Bogman will get jail time or a fine for failing to water his lawn "

http://www.sbsun.com/general-news/20141120/upland-man-facing-possible-jail-time-for-failure-to-water-lawn

Drought can't be that bad if the message from the Government is "water your damn lawn, or else" .



Interesting how what they want out of this guy is "drought-tolerant landscaping". Because whenever I get a nice, natural blanket of drought-tolerant landscaping, that same County issues me a "weed abatement notice" telling me I need to get rid of my drought-tolerant landscaping. If I don't get rid of it, the County will do it - and charge me for it. So I just get rid of the natural drought-tolerant landscaping myself - every year - because I don't know how much the County charges, but I'm damn sure I can do it for less.
WBraun

climber
Nov 21, 2014 - 08:30am PT
What drought?

It's snowing in NY, just put some of this snow on a train to CA :-)


couchmaster

climber
Nov 21, 2014 - 08:55am PT
Maybe they can take that 7.5 BILLION in bonds the voters approved and stuff a pipe from that snowbank you posted in the NE and run it to California Werner?

"I voted against the measure. - DMT"

Not sure why you voted against. But it was voted in and now you get to pay for it. I didn't study the thing, but it looked like there was a big time lack of specific projects. Like it was a typical gov't "we'll toss a couple billion on groundwater purification here, and another billion or maybe 2 billion on a pipeline over there" bs, which means what exactly? That the rich ag interests lobbying projects in Sacramento will get new pipelines and water supplies for Almonds? MMmmmmmm, Almonds.....mmmmmm. I see California Rice PAC gave a million bucks, presumably they invested a million to get a billion back. Maybe someone closer to the truth on ST like Will can check in with a better view of the specifics.

Anyway, good on the Governator for calling bullshit on the legislature and at least getting the price tag to be slightly less horrific.
"Gov. Jerry Brown (D) called on the legislature to replace the previous $11.14 billion bond (Proposition 43) with a cheaper $6 billion bond on June 25, 2014. Brown called the previous water bond "a pork-laden water bond… with a price tag beyond what’s reasonable or affordable." The legislature passed the new $7.12 billion bond on August 13, 2014. "
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 21, 2014 - 10:05am PT
I didn't study the thing, but it looked like there was a big time lack of specific projects. Like it was a typical gov't "we'll toss a couple billion on groundwater purification here, and another billion or maybe 2 billion on a pipeline over there" bs, which means what exactly?

It means that local gov't units, such as municipalities and water agencies will have to COMPETE for the money, by putting up plans for specific projects, and also having to put up half of the money for said project. The agency making the decisions is the Dept of Water Resources, experts in water policy and projects....not the legislature, where it would be decided on a political basis.

It specifically does not allow spending any of the money on the two tunnel project bypassing the delta.

My understanding, in talking personally with water managers about this, is that there will apparently be a large bias towards water recycling and rainwater harvesting, oriented towards replenishing aquifers.
Reeotch

climber
4 Corners Area
Nov 21, 2014 - 10:30am PT
Prepare for rationing and other enforced control measures.

A lot of farmers are going to be forced out of business, which will mean more GMOs on the table . . .
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 21, 2014 - 10:47am PT
By desert, do you mean the Central Valley? Or are you talking about the farming down in Imperial County?
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 21, 2014 - 10:55am PT
Take me to the River.
[Click to View YouTube Video]That was refreshing, DMT. Danke.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 21, 2014 - 11:00am PT
I hope water resource officials responsible for doling out the dollars are more accountable than Homeland Security, for example.

While a dose of skepticism is always good, you don't want to get in the position of smearing good people by way of stereotypes. I've seen absolutely brilliant and dedicated public servants get totally slammed with accusations that were not accurate, not deserved, and which resulted in them quitting out of disgust.

This really happens, and you want to be careful of creating a self-fulfilling situation where the only people willing to take some public jobs are the people too awful to find a job elsewhere.
couchmaster

climber
Nov 21, 2014 - 04:34pm PT


I think some of this money will be going to fix the environmental issues old water policy choices caused.

klk

Trad climber
cali
Nov 22, 2014 - 09:16am PT
a vote for the water measure was a vote for the tunnels. may not be what you wanted your vote to mean, but that doesn't matter.

It specifically does not allow spending any of the money on the two tunnel project bypassing the delta.

that's only for optics. the compromise language let the delta folks say it was "tunnel neutral," but it's not. almost everything in it is part of the mitigation to make it easier for EPA to approve the tunnels project.

the EPA comment on the conservation plan earlier this year (i.e. Brown's tunnel plan) was devastating and clearly spelled out there'd be no approval without a variety of mitigation projects and groundwater regulation. So we got a "groundwater regulation" optics bill (it doesn't even mandate any regulation until 2040 and didn't touch the proscription on well reporting, so we still can't even know how much we are pumping), and then this range of projects, most of them mitigation for Brown's tunnels and the others a mix of random pork to bring in votes from particular districts.

that's why Brown spent so much of his personal campaign dough on ad buys for the bond measure.

i voted against it. but then i also voted against the bb train.

are there good small projects inside the larger bond measure? of course. but that's why we have a legislature-- to identify and fund sensible projects. if it can't pass muster in the legislature, then i shouldn't be on the frickin ballot.

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 22, 2014 - 09:50am PT
^^^"if it can't pass muster in the legislature, then i shouldn't be on the frickin ballot."

I'm gonna write you in for governor next term. Lotta good that will do, huh?

FWIW, it just began raining here...oops, it just stopped.

son of stan

Boulder climber
San Jose CA
Nov 22, 2014 - 10:43am PT
I'm not wrong to think that all the rain happening in norte California
is dampening my drought hysteria a little.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 22, 2014 - 11:24am PT
San Jose is in northern California?

my wife, born in Mendocino County, always drew the line such that San Jose was included in SoCal...


and wow, declaring the drought over based on mid-November rain... great call!
WBraun

climber
Nov 22, 2014 - 11:27am PT
Of course the drought is over.

It's raining right now.

When it stops raining tomorrow the drought will be on again.

Just see my expert many years in the business scientific analysis ...... :-)
son of stan

Boulder climber
San Jose CA
Nov 22, 2014 - 12:08pm PT
Must have been that Jonathan Gruber liar taking over the
government educated Ed Hartouni's account.

He would never make such a terribly wrong statement
during this time of floody drought.

map
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_California





Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 22, 2014 - 12:16pm PT
Northern California starts in Marin County.

San Jose and San Francisco are in Central California.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 24, 2014 - 09:25am PT
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/politics/San-Diego-Eyes-Recycled-Water-Project-in-Drought-Conditions-283058261.html

“San Diego Approves $3.5B Recycled Water Project”.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 24, 2014 - 09:33am PT
that's only for optics. the compromise language let the delta folks say it was "tunnel neutral," but it's not. almost everything in it is part of the mitigation to make it easier for EPA to approve the tunnels project.


it is NOT tunnel neutral.

The Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) offered support for Proposition 1, despite some environmental groups opposing the measure. The following is an excerpt from a post on why the group supported the proposition:
“ NRDC fought hard to ensure that legislators crafted a bond that’s good for California’s environment and economy. And while it’s not perfect, it has broad bipartisan support and is backed by conservation groups, local water districts, business and labor leaders, editorial boards all around the state… because we all know that this bond does as much as it can for as many people and groups as possible, while ensuring that our tax dollars go as far as possible to address California’s water needs.
So here’s why we support Proposition 1:
1. Prop 1 will strengthen California’s water system by investing in much-needed local water supply projects like water recycling, groundwater cleanup, stormwater capture, water conservation, and other regional water supply projects around the state. The vast majority of these funds will go to local water districts (Prop 1 generally requires a local match for projects). Using a transparent and competitive grant process will help ensure we get the most bang for the buck and create significant new, sustainable water supplies for communities around the state...
2. Prop 1 will help provide safe drinking water for all Californians, with an emphasis on disadvantaged communities. It’s estimated that more than 1 million Californians (and possibly as many as 3 million!) cannot safely drink the water that comes out of their tap because of contamination from arsenic, nitrates from agricultural pollution, perchlorate from industrial pollution, and other toxics. Most of these households rely on groundwater in rural communities and are not connected to a water treatment plant or water district.
3. Prop 1 invests in environmental restoration projects around the state, including funding for the San Joaquin River, the Salton Sea, the L.A. River, and coastal habitat, as well as water supply to the state's wildlife refuges. Prop 1 would make significant investments to help restore the health of rivers, wildlife, the coast and watersheds across the state, in many cases working through local conservancies that have a strong track record of success. This helps sustain salmon and other native fisheries (and the thousands of jobs that depend on them), helps provide healthy rivers for the public to enjoy, and can help create new water supply (for instance, through mountain meadow restoration or through floodplain restoration that helps with stormwater capture and groundwater recharge)...
4. Prop 1 does not advance the State’s $25 billion flawed Bay Delta Conservation Plan, the proposal to build two massive tunnels under the Delta and divert unsustainable amounts of water...
5. Prop 1 is not earmarked for new dams. Critics cite concerns about funding for surface and groundwater storage, but this simply isn’t the case...
Ultimately, NRDC is committed to making sure that Prop 1 funds are well spent. We’ll continue to watch over bond spending and work to ensure that economically infeasible and environmentally harmful dam projects like Temperance Flat are not funded from the bond or built.[6]

—Natural Resources Defense Council[19]

Note number 4. Undoubtedly, you have your doctorate in environmental law, and have a staff of similar people able to assess this measure------but I think not.

You keep simply making things up, because you don't want to support anything---it simply means that you have no credibility. Otherwise, if you want to be taken seriously, put your credentials up, and lets evaluate your ability to evaluate and make recommendations.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 24, 2014 - 12:21pm PT
whoever "son of stan" is...


fits better than the Wiki page... who drew that one anyway? who, a canadian bloke who lives in LA and is a libertarian...


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