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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Which party are you talking about when you say "your party"?
Please advise.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Rok, that's an excellent post, short and to the point.
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malabarista
Trad climber
San Francisco, Ca
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Republicans = whackjob Mccarthyists
Newsflash: the USSR fell long ago
Socialism is great when it's used to provide infrastructure that everyone actually needs. I'm glad for the USPS, that roads and schools are basically provided for. Healthcare is next.
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apogee
climber
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Oh, that's right, Chaz is an independent. Or a Libertarian. Or a Wiccan. Whatever. Basically, Chaz puts himself in whatever party of movement is in fashion at the time, as long as it's not Democratic. Strong set of ideals and principles you got there, pal!
Chaz, why don't you give us all a list of all the things that Americans hate about Socialism. Then, we can repost for the 8 thousandth time the number of things that exist in this country that are socialist by nature, many (most?) of which were initiated by Repug administrations. That should clear everything right up.
When you are done with that, go fly a kite.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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#8999!!!111
My pwecious!!!111
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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#9000!!!111 My pwecious!!!111
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Only 999 to go!
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apogee
climber
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If you do that, Rox, I'll be right behind you, which means HMK will score #9000... Don't make me pull the trigger, buddy...
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apogee
climber
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fattrad, with all of the socialist functions that exist in this country today, would you consider the US to be a borderline Socialist country by definition? Or are we still strongly capitalist?
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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The problem with capitalism is its fundamental belief that corporations make the best decisions about the allocation of societies resources.
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apogee
climber
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"We're moderately capitalist, but have been turning over various functions over to the government at an escalating pace in the last sixty years."
Well, I realize my question is a pretty subjective one, but do you think there is a country on earth that is more strongly capitalist than the US?
In your mind, would the implementation of a public health insurance system be the bright line that would define us as a truly Socialist country by definition? Or would we still be 'moderately' capitalist?
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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I've got about 20 pwecious posts so far, strategically timed. FatTrad has offered me big bucks if I'll delete a few so that he can have #6666, and others do like the big zero numbers. We'd be right back on the treadmill then. Mwahahahaha!
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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A socialist idea doesn't need to transform the nation into a "truly Socialist country" for it to be a rotten idea.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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If something's a really great idea, it would sell itself.
No Government involvement needed.
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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like the Iraq war.
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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or Kool-Aid™
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apogee
climber
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From TGT's article:
"France spends 11 percent of its gross domestic product (GDP) on healthcare -- the second highest in the world after the United States, where health costs total some 16 percent of GDP."
Huh...so, we spend more of our GDP on healthcare than anyone in the world, and our system ranks 37th....
Meanwhile, those frogs spend less than that, and have the #1 rated system worldwide, with everyone getting coverage....
Gosh, which system do I prefer...?
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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You might want to see what other systems provide and compare them with the United States. Every "universal" health care system with which I am familiar spends far less on older persons and those with difficult diagnoses involving expensive treatments with uncertain results.
Put differently, how much of U.S. health care is spent on those over 70, compared with the proportion spent on that population in any other country? How many other countries spend what we spend on late-stage cancer cases. In virtually every other state-provided health care system, older patients or those with late stage cancer can simply die, or else pay for it themselves. Here, we give them treatment if they want it, and people other than the patient pay for most of it.
Please note that I'm not trying to make a value judgment about the different systems, I'm simply pointing out the difference.
John
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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If the problem with Republicans is they ignore the cases where the market leads to a suboptimal allocation of goods or services, then the problem with Democrats is that they assume that bureaucrats and extortion will lead to that optimal allocation.
John
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