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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 11, 2016 - 09:41pm PT
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Well, then, what a fantastic opportunity for business!!
If I were as smart a guy as Trump, and knowing that this is all a false conspiracy, I'd be buying up every low-lying piece of property in the world.
That's what he's doing, right?
Right?
That's where you are going to make your fortuna, too, right? Just take out some second mortgages and buy, buy, buy! the land will be cheap!
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Al Barkamps
Social climber
Red Stick
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Dec 11, 2016 - 09:41pm PT
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..in Alaska some receding glaciers are revealing forests of stumps radio carbon dated to the Medieval Warm period.
hooda thunk that the same mechanism that mills mountains down to dust can leave whole forests untouched! Only in Alaska!
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 11, 2016 - 09:44pm PT
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You're a frigging idiot Kenny boy. Who can afford beachfront after the likes of Gore, Decaprio,and Obama have bid the price up.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 11, 2016 - 09:51pm PT
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^^^^^ Fake news. Lies, lies, lies.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Dec 11, 2016 - 09:52pm PT
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your growing ice cap studies never refute a warming planet RS
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Dec 11, 2016 - 10:23pm PT
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Rick Sumner,
they do not want science,
they do not want to hear facts.
they are devoted to their religion, Man Made Global Warming.
It turns out it is the left that denies science...
if not so there would be a discussion without insults or temper.
just the pursuit of truth, but that is not the case.
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F
climber
away from the ground
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Dec 11, 2016 - 10:30pm PT
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 11, 2016 - 11:26pm PT
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the quote I posted was from the American Institute of Physics, for which I included the link.
That is as scientific an organization that you can get, EdBanister.
You might read some of the other articles at the website, it won't hurt you, and you might find that you are the one making absurd statements.
You might also post links to your websites so we can check the details of the things you are posting.
asking rick for references will not get anything, rick has a stack of those papers in a place that is always inconvenient for him to retrieve... that has been his MO from his first post.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 11, 2016 - 11:32pm PT
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That's a four foot tall stack of stuff Ed.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 11, 2016 - 11:34pm PT
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whatever, I hope it burns well...
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Dave
Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
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Dec 12, 2016 - 06:02am PT
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I love some of the replies to my solar/ vehicle post. Particularly the truck posts...
My wife's car cost around $25k. I can buy a Tacoma for about that used. So .... why not buy something that can haul bikes, camping stuff, and construction materials?
Also - the flaws in economic analysis and general attitudes of the left.
What's the solar panel seller and installer's margin?
- I don't care and its none of government's business either...
The cost of the cars you've mentioned will increase as manufacturer's will pass-on the 'carbon cost' of production and disposal. And your petrol costs will go up considerably. You have some decisions to make, which need to factor whether you can:
Get a job with a closer commute - No. My choices and reasons for them are none of your business.
Move house to somewhere with less self-drive transit involved. No, See above,
Travel in a lower petrol running vehicle such as a motorbike. F*#k you - try driving 80 miles (each way) to work and back in mountains when its 20 below and snowing on a moped.
Substitute bike riding, walking, and running for driving. See above.
Convince legislators to subsidise your 'business as usual' approach to climate change.
Adapt your house, and the way you use it, to reduce your use of non-renewable electricity and gas. See economic analysis.
Start shopping for things that are less environmentally harmful,will last longer, and will not be to expensive to maintain/repair. Like a 14 year old truck? it was cheap to repair...
If you are over-eating, you will need to stop. Damn.. I have high metabolism....
If you are frivolous with water, you will need to stop. You mean I can't drink 8 glasses of water a day anymore?
If your recreation is too expensive a carbon-polluter, you will need to stop or adapt it. I need to? for you?
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Dec 12, 2016 - 07:57am PT
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whatever, I hope it burns well...
lol.,.,nice on liner
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Dec 12, 2016 - 08:12am PT
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do you understand the reference Pyro?
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Dec 12, 2016 - 08:29am PT
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Ed Hartouni posted
By contrast CO2 lingers in the atmosphere for centuries. So the gas acts as a "control knob" that sets the level of water vapor
If CO2 lingers in the atmosphere for centuries, what would it take to cause atmospheric CO2 levels to decline? How much would we need to reduce anthropogenic CO2 emissions to reverse the current trend? Would we need to reduce current emissions by 50%? 90%? How long would it take for A-CO2 to start falling?
I'm not asking for an in-depth explanation. Just a ball park figure.
What I'm wondering about is whether or not dramatic reductions in emissions would result in lowered A-CO2 levels in our lifetimes.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Dec 12, 2016 - 08:38am PT
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trapping and injecting atmospheric CO2 into reservoirs in the Earth could help to speed up reduction ET. this technique is used in hydrocarbon reservoir stimulation to sip up the last recoverable dregs of the tarry milkshake and allows some producers to at least claim net carbon neutrality.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 12, 2016 - 09:03am PT
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What I'm wondering about is whether or not dramatic reductions in emissions would result in lowered A-CO2 levels in our lifetimes.
I don't believe that we could expect a lower CO2 level in our lifetimes.
However, you can see that increasing plant biomass might be an avenue towards reduction. Unfortunately, one of the human activities responsible for increased CO2 levels is the decrease in that same biomass, the clearing of forests, etc. for agriculture, and the agricultural process of getting rid of the unused portion of the crop (in the least expensive way, burning).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_cycle
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation
Between 2000 and 2012, 2.3 million square kilometres (890,000 square miles) of forests around the world were cut down.[11] As a result of deforestation, only 6.2 million square kilometres (2.4 million square miles) remain of the original 16 million square kilometres (6 million square miles) of forest that formerly covered the Earth.[11]
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 12, 2016 - 10:21am PT
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The earth has "greened" (plant life including trees increasingly encroaching into previous low habitable areas) 12% over the satellite Era. Any legitamate study of deforestation should account for this, increased urban human planted greenery, and tree farms etc in there calculation of forest loss. Not saying it totally makes up for the alleged forest loss cited by Ed above, but it does significantly reduce his dire numbers. Additionally, this hundreds of years of CO2 atmospheric residence time is a bunch of hooey. Recent studies show residence time in the 5-7 year range.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Dec 12, 2016 - 10:38am PT
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The earth has "greened" 12% over the satellite Era....plant life including trees increasingly encroaching into previous low habitable areas
Shifting of species and vegetation zones northwards and upwards in elevation has already been observed.
I wonder why they might move north and up?
Source: Agnes and Hufnagel in Applied Ecology said it was so. Seems like a legit source to me. Let's hear why it's not at all trustworthy, RS.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Dec 12, 2016 - 11:24am PT
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ed you better save all this data before TRUMP has it erased.
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