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Pea-dub
Ice climber
sun diego
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Apr 18, 2016 - 01:33am PT
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Patrick did you have any relationship with Jesus when you where in school.
There still may be a connection inside some where.
I'm sure you know now that there boss was the devil.
Fooling a bunch of people. Causing great harm in many lives.
Truth always comes out sooner or later.
Wicked men masquerading as good men. You saw thru it evan at a young age.
I'm sorry for the pain in those years. It runs deep.
One thing I know is true, God let's people run there coarse that they choose, he puts road blocks
In the way,sends people across there path way to warn them, bigger thing yet is the Bible and all
the truths contained in it.
Today people make the Bible say whatever they want it to say.
Americanized Christianity is what we have. True gospel lost.... 35? Different denominations
Not God's plan.
Them that are lead by the spirit of God they are the sons of God.
Deny yourself pick up your cross and follow Me.
Those who love me keep my commandments.
Many many more verses.
Free gift but you have to live it out.
Relationship Relationship Relationship
Big difference between knowing all about Jesus and the Bible
and having the Holy Spirit living inside you directing your way.
Patrick probably nothing I posted helps. Turn to Jesus you know a lot
about him don't let wicked men's lives and lies turn you away.
If you are in San Diego email me. Oggies pizza is good. On me.
Give me a little notice time wise.
God's blessings
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Apr 18, 2016 - 05:33am PT
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Pea-dub,
Thanks for the kind thoughts. I'm in a good place now. I've found other apostates, and we help each other work through our feelings of rejection from the church.
I don't have an issue with what Christ taught, but ever since I could read, I realized the church continually glossed over the words of love and forgiveness for shame and legalism.
I used to pray and feel i had a personal relationship with Jesus, but I was a child, then a young teenager. I still occasionally wish for the sense of security and warm fuzziness that gave. So, I won't completely dismiss the possibility of relationship with the divine, throw the baby with the bathwater so to speak. But my concept is vastly different than anything the mainstream church preaches for redemption.
Sounds like you had some seriously messed up things in your early life, and I am glad your relationship with Jesus has given you some relief.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Apr 18, 2016 - 09:35am PT
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Patrick sorry for the pain and distrust and hypocrisy and entirety of your experience with that church of yours growing up. That is so far from the healthy churches I've grown up in and continue to be deeply invested in. I really don't blame you for your views and understand that what you went through shaped your view of Christianity. My only encouragement is that what you shared is a poor representation of God himself. I hope you somehow have an opportunity to encounter God himself, rather than the broken people of your past that were a poor and hypocritical image of who he truly is and what his church is really about. Thanks for sharing your journey though. Its much appreciated around here.
Scott
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Apr 21, 2016 - 07:09am PT
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what happened to Limping Crab?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Apr 21, 2016 - 07:34am PT
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Religion is, and always will be, an important part of many people's lives. Conversely, religion is not, and never will be, a factor in a growing number of people's lives.
Why can't both groups just go about their lives without trying to convert others to their point of view....a thankless and hopeless task.
Freedom of religion also implies freedom from religion. Go about your day without wearing your beliefs or lack thereof on your sleeves. It will be a welcome relief for everyone you come into contact with.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Apr 21, 2016 - 07:47am PT
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The pews were uncomfortable, sermons long, and money was sent away while ignoring the plight at times of people on the other end of the pew. Best to hand deliver compassion directly to a need than to others running a "cause".
Better chance of saving two souls.
Religion is impractical, but when a person with one arm walks out of a service with two working arms, put your money in.
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John M
climber
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Apr 21, 2016 - 08:33am PT
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I'm sure some people on this thread were trying to convert people, but I don't believe that that was limping crabs intention. He was simply trying to explain his point of view, just as many people on the mind thread are doing.
Hopefully some day people will understand that mans beliefs about God are not necessarily God.
As for the "hate your family" comment. Jesus never taught hate. The concept should be translated to mean "put before". God/Truth comes before everything. The concept is " in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God, and the Word is Truth". When you fully believe something, then you live it. But when you put other things before something that you say that you believe, then you are only proving that you don't really believe it, or you don't understand it. So in that statement about the family, Jesus was showing that one had to put God first in order to follow him and benefit from following him. Otherwise one was just pretending belief, and there is no benefit in that.
That is why the rich man was told to sell all that he owned and why Jesus also said that some will die and go before the Lord and the Lord will say that he did not know them. In both cases, the person had something that he/she valued over God, making that something the god in their life. There are consequences for turning away from God. And in one sense you can call it eternal hell. But that hell is not the hell of eternal suffering which modern Christians teach. It is the loss of Life which means that once one has lost their Life, then they have no more chance to know God. The Life I speak of is not one human body, nor is it one human lifetime. It is your spirit. The essence of you. You have been given this essence. It has a spark of Life in it. To make that essence eternal, then one must become one with the Father as the Father is the source of all Life. If one turns from the Father, then one eventually looses their connection and ability to receive Life and their life will fade away. Eventually ending.
On this thread we see both sides of the hate coin, which is not of God. We see people believe that God would hate enough to condemn his creation to hell for all of eternity, which is truly hate, and we see those who hate on people who even talk about God. That is the hate coin, and has no part in God. This is the reason man's beliefs are not God. If you want to know God, then you have to seek him/her with all your heart, with all of your mind, and with all of your soul. If you hold anything back, then you will most likely find deception and you will fall. Its much like not paying your dues in climbing. You can get lucky for a time, but eventually bad habits will catch up to you. Unless of course you are the exception to the rule. Which then requires an understanding of reincarnation. Everything in Life must be balanced. Karma is eventually paid back. Maybe not in this lifetime, but eventually. You create it, you are responsible for its balance.
I am so very sorry for those whose beliefs about God are based on some peoples actions. There is so much misunderstanding and untruth on this planet. God is Love and would never teach "torture for all eternity" or "hate", or "fear me". What we see on this planet is the consequences of turning away from God. We see hate, fear, pride and arrogance and all of its creation. This is not God, for God is Love.
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John M
climber
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Apr 21, 2016 - 08:48am PT
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I am a Christian. I believe in the Christ. I believe that Jesus was the Christ. I just also believe that others also became the Christ and I believe that everyone can become the Christ. I do not accept the bible as the inerrant word of God. There is inspired word in it, but the bible itself is not inerrant.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 21, 2016 - 01:43pm PT
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What's the latest official policy on the Jews being responsible for killing Christ ?
do Jews burn in torture for eternity in the lake of fire?
I know HELL is a tough sell these days, but again,
do Jews go to HELL? still waiting to hear if Jews go to hell. I don't believe that a label or group decides a persons fate or relationship with Jesus. I think it's individual and personal (Romans 10:8-10)
Here are some questions. Anybody can answer.
In your experience and opinion:
What are the benefits of punishment?
What are the benefits for you:
When you punish?
When you are punished?
What are the benefits for your children:
When you punish them?
When they punish you?
What are the benefits to society:
When society punishes you?
When someone punishes society?
What are the benefits to you when society punishes someone else?
What are the benefits to god when god punishes you?
What are the benefits to you, when god punishes you?
How have you personally decided when to punish others and when to forgive them?
I believe punishment is necessary and beneficial (Hebrews 12:5-7). I do not believe that punishment and forgiveness are mutually exclusive, and I understand this better now as a father of two.
My question: what did Jesus tell us that we didn't already know?
And how has 2000 years of having this knowledge benefited Christian societies? No matter how you measure it, they are no better off than any other group.
I believe Jesus taught us how we can have a full life and eternity through a relationship with God (Philippians 4:6-7). I do not look at the benefits of knowing Jesus through the lens of whole groups or societies or labels, but I have personally seen the benefit in the lives of individuals (John 14:27).
what happened to Limping Crab? Some work, some parenting, and three days of this
I also didn't see many questions for me and am trying to stay out of the discussions, even if they're interesting.
If Jesus were a climber, would he ever need to dyno? I believe a dyno is the holiest of moves, so that's all He would do. Maybe a heel hook every now and then.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Apr 21, 2016 - 03:59pm PT
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I don't believe that a label or group decides a persons fate or relationship with Jesus. I think it's individual and personal (Romans 10:8-10)
You should really run for office
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 21, 2016 - 04:05pm PT
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How about a personal relationship with Huitzilopochtli, just as good or burn in hell?
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Pea-dub
Ice climber
sun diego
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Jul 15, 2016 - 04:19pm PT
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I had a heart attack couple weeks ago. 100% blockage left artery 2 m,,drove
To Kaiser 8 minute drive.25 minutes later
I'm in a ambulance headed to Scripps La Jolla 30 minutes later they are sliding a stint up my arm into my artery. Wow...
I waited at home for about 25 min after my left arm started to have some pain & cold sweats decided best action would be to go now. God is Good
Patrick Compton sharing a little bit of your life story really helped me a lot.
Some where inside of me something clicked
about people's pain and actions words.
It took awhile to notice but last couple months I've become more of a people person
Still have abit to go.....
If it is ok with you limpingcrab to share a few things about my life on this thread ,i don't really have the stuff to host my own thread. I could have never answered all the ,questions you answered
It has helped me abit to share here.
in a nutshell I was on a military base in 1960 for 4 months mind control experiments they told my parents I had
Epilepsy and wanted to help. I would never be the same person....
Jesus has been my help even though at times he has felt very far away.
Your call limping crab
On Dean's appreciation thread I posted
And deleted really quickly I wanted to call someone out but that's not my job.
Especially when God continues to be merciful to me.. Paul
Still double minded
Edit. My daughter flew out of Istanbul on
Tuesday evening....
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Jul 15, 2016 - 06:51pm PT
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https://www.amazon.com/Life-Before-Childrens-Memories-Previous/dp/031237674X
If you examine the history of Christianity, you find that the doctrine of karma and reincarnation was originally a part of it, then it was thrown out largely for political reasons.
In the book mentioned above, the author gives a case of a boy in Turkey who was an Armenian Christian in his previous life, then Muslim in this life. This case and thousands like it tend to support the idea that Christianity was a more accurate world view when these concepts were part of it. If the notion that once you believe in Jesus, you go to heaven forever were correct, then you would not have numerous cases like this.
When Jesus said, "The kingdom of heaven is like unto a field, where a man finds it, and goes and sells everything he has, and buys that field" he is talking about the same thing that Buddha taught, the renunciation of samskaric pleasure and pain, for eternal bliss.
I do not put myself as any authority on this subject, but only caution a person who does put himself forth as an authority, on such a forum as this, please first make sure that you really know what you are talking about.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 15, 2016 - 07:25pm PT
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Ask a Christian....get an answer? A real answer, or maybe a sermon. Faith begets sermons...reason produces answers. Creationism vs. evolution comes to mind.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Jul 15, 2016 - 08:41pm PT
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Glad you survived p-dub.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jul 15, 2016 - 09:38pm PT
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When Jesus said, "The kingdom of heaven is like unto a field, where a man finds it, and goes and sells everything he has, and buys that field" he is talking about the same thing that Buddha taught, the renunciation of samskaric pleasure and pain, for eternal bliss.
i don't feel it as the same thing. i don't think jesus said much concerning how to feel. whereas buddha spoke much about sensual pleasures, and all across the spectrum to suffering. but what were buddha's actual trials? he was a bummed out rich kid, turned tree hugger? seriously, what's his life's experience, denialism? with a lot of words!? ontheotherhand, jesus was highly experinced in confrontationalism, and only spoke of peace. he didn't pick up a sword when the oppressive government came for him, like peter did. which peter in emotional distress tried to cut off the cops head, but only got his ear. which jesus promptly picked up and made the cop whole again. then put up his arms and allowed the cops to take him away. that's confrontational peace! what's buddha got to hold up to that?
no, i don't think jesus was talking about eternal bliss when he was describing heaven is like unto a field. i think it has more to do about finding the truth.
edit; sorry if i rant. it just perturbs me when people try to hold buddha up to jesus(not to more than a chuckle tho these days..). if anything buddha is old testament ;)
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jul 15, 2016 - 09:41pm PT
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Pea-dub, i'm glad you found the truth. stick to it and be wondered by what it brings
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jul 15, 2016 - 10:23pm PT
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Thou shalt not kill
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Pea-dub
Ice climber
sun diego
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Jul 15, 2016 - 10:59pm PT
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BIOTCH thanks that means a lot to me.I'm glad I'm still here also.
Changes your view on a few things in life when you step close to the edge.
Although my views on things may be different than most,someone might want to listen. The taco stand has many interesting people and stories.
Paul
Thanks Blue
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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How do you, OP limpingcrab, personally reconcile "Vote My [presumably christian] Faith" bumpersticker coincident with a "DJT 2020" sticker on the a bumper that I see every day? That is, do you believe that most christian folks supportive of DJT's continued control of our country find his behavior consistent with christian morals, beliefs and expectations? If not, how will such inconsistency and/or supporters of such be treated at the St. Peter's Gate? So confused.
Also: do you believe that churches should be tax-free entities? What about the church of the pastafari, the Flying Spaghetti Monster worshippers?
and: do megachurches enriching folks like Joel Osteen properly honor the christian lord?
more: do muslims or christians occupy the high ground in their violent clashes?
Further: Can morality be taught without reliance on the Christian books/institutions?
again: what scientifically verifiable evidence do you believe exists for the existence of god? is it wrong for people to expect or hope for such evidence when asked for money or faith or adoration of god?
curioser: why does god allow, on massive scale, its purported representatives to rape children and largely avoid legal consequence? will the man of the cloth that raped my uncle (as a child) go to hell for doing so? should my uncle be a christian and will he go to hell for being a proud atheist resultant to this sexual abuse in the house of god?
otra vez: do you believe in the existence of the DSM-recognized psychologic/psychiatric condition of hyper-religiosity in the christian population? if so, how do you believe god feels about christian people praying to find parking at the mall, etc (no joke, I have observed this).
disrespect intended with the snark. I apologize for that.
thanks for talking about this though (hoping for response despite dead-end thread resurrect).
and now for the hardest question of all: what's the best route you've ever climbed?
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