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The Chief
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Nov 18, 2015 - 01:50pm PT
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VETERAN's LIVES DO NOT MATTER!
At last count there are over 52,000 HOMELESS VETS throughout this Nation.
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Gary
Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here
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Nov 18, 2015 - 01:53pm PT
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You can play word games all day long but that doesn't put a roof over the
homeless' heads, give good care to our Vets, or treat our mentally challenged.
We've 40 million living in poverty and we need to bring in more?
Serious problems, indeed, but refugees did not cause those issues, nor would they exacerbate them.
You want vets taken care of? Then cancel that new bomber and the F-35 and use that trillion dollars for America.
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dirtbag
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Nov 18, 2015 - 01:55pm PT
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Chief I'd bet the actual number is 10x that estimate.
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The Chief
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Nov 18, 2015 - 01:55pm PT
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but refugees did not cause those issues
NO, they sure didn't. The CURRENT POTUS has by not acting accordingly and lead both NATO/UN into protecting them the past two years.
He has done NOTHING until now AFTER Europe has been overwhelmed by them.
But of course you Gary and the rest of your lot will blame GW and the repubs and everyone that DOES NOT fit YOUR AGENDA.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Nov 18, 2015 - 01:57pm PT
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It's not xenophobia when you realize you can't have yer cake and eat it too.
You can play word games all day long but that doesn't put a roof over the
homeless' heads, give good care to our Vets, or treat our mentally challenged.
We've 40 million living in poverty and we need to bring in more?
The refugees that make it out of the middle east and to the western world tend to be incrediably self-motivated and far more educated than the norm. They are the survivors willing to do whatever it takes to create a better life for themselves and their families. Sure there are exceptions and I'm sure many are suffereing severely from stress.
The ones wasing up on Europe's shore tend to be professionals that had the money and contacts to make the trip. (A great many have smart phones and used to have a middle class existence.) It is sad that their experience and degrees are usually discounted. So you have doctors and engineers getting jobs washing dishes. But by-and-large they are willing to work their butts off for a chance even in menial jobs. If you research the statistics, immigrants and refugees contribute much more economically than they take in social services.
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The Chief
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Nov 18, 2015 - 02:00pm PT
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The refugees that make it out of the middle east and to the western world tend to be incrediably self-motivated and far more educated than the norm.
Really... then why are they, REFUGEE'S?
Why haven't the over 100K "incredibly self-motivated" Syrian Refugee Men ages 18-45 taken arms against ISIS and fight them on their own turf. Why?
Because they are NOT running from ISIS. They are running from ASSAD. So please tell us, how has BUSH, CHENEY or anyone prior to OBAMA been culpable for all these Syrian Refugees that are running away from ASSAD and the Syrian Civil War?
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Nov 18, 2015 - 02:03pm PT
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I wasn't placing blame for who created the migrants. Although the invading Iraq was a huge, initial mistake.
Look 30 year old doctors and engineers aren't going to suddenly become an effective fighting force even if they wanted to.
Their homes and livihoods have been destroyed. Does it matter who they are running from? Maybe they are running from cities that have been carpet bombed and shelled into rubble.
Any of the 18-24 who wanted to fight, no doubt stayed to fight. But I don't blame any of them from wanting to get out. Especially those that are married and/or have kids.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired Climber
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Nov 18, 2015 - 02:08pm PT
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Well, as a vet
you're a vet, and you did not mention anything about your concern for fellow vets. That would be a priority I would have over refugees.
this wave of refugees is a direct consequence of our screwing the pooch
This statement would be more credible if the refugees were coming from Iraq, or Afghanistan.
Most of the Syrian refugees are the result of the Syrian civil war.
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The Chief
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Nov 18, 2015 - 02:12pm PT
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dirtbag
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Nov 18, 2015 - 01:55pm PT
Chief I'd bet the actual number is 10x that estimate.
You DIRTBAG are most likely right. But by god, we have found all this money and resources to start taking care for refugee's from a Civil War we as a nation have NOTHING to do with nor are we culpable for any of it.
HOMELESS VETERANS LIVES DO NOT MATTER!
EDIT: POTUS Obama keeps stating that a regime change in Syria is the ONLY way to peace there. That Assad has to go.
Certainly appears he did not learn from GW's big fking mistake next door. Nor his and Hildabeast's great job in Libya after removing Gaddafi where ISIS is now basically in control.
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Nov 18, 2015 - 02:21pm PT
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Because they are NOT running from ISIS. They are running from ASSAD.
These possibilities are not mutually exclusive.
No sane human would want to be in proximity to either one.
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Nov 18, 2015 - 02:30pm PT
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Plenty of places in the US where criticizing Jesus could get you hurt or killed.
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The Chief
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Nov 18, 2015 - 02:30pm PT
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"Possibilities"???
You really are a parrot Spiny.
And for all you people out there that believe Hussein's Iraq was a place of peace and stability, well it wasn't.
He had Sunni led death squads that instantly quilled any Shia and Kurdish uprisings. He gassed his own people repeatedly. He murdered over a million of his own people during his 24 years of being in power. That is how he maintained control over them.
Gee, doesn't that sound familiar..... ASSAD!
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Nov 18, 2015 - 02:31pm PT
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Really, Chief? Who am I parroting?
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The Chief
climber
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Nov 18, 2015 - 02:32pm PT
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Go figure Spiny.
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Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
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Nov 18, 2015 - 02:33pm PT
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When called out, Chief got 0.
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The Chief
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Nov 18, 2015 - 02:40pm PT
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Like I said Spiny, "Go figure."
You are a parrot, nothing more. Period.
Example"
Spiny Norman
Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Nov 18, 2015 - 02:30pm PT
Plenty of places in the US where criticizing Jesus could get you hurt or killed.
Now wtf does that have ANYTHING to do with Syrian Refugees that we as a NATION are not culpable of?
Wtf does that have to do with the attacks in Paris and Beirut as well as the downing of a Russian Commercial jet liner by ISIS/ISIL/Dooshbags
What, Spiny?
Parrot.
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dirtbag
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Nov 18, 2015 - 02:41pm PT
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HOMELESS VETERANS LIVES DO NOT MATTER!
Sadly, that seems to be the prevailing attitude. But I don't think it calls for pitting one suffering class against another. We could help both, if we choose.
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The Chief
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Nov 18, 2015 - 02:44pm PT
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How about we start taking care of ALL the Homeless here in this country before we start taking care of the worlds homeless. Then after they are all clothed, housed and gainfully employed or taken care of health wise, we start considering others from half way around the planet.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Nov 18, 2015 - 02:49pm PT
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(Reuters) – Veterans organizations were upset with Senate Republicans after they failed to gain enough votes of support to move forward with a measure that would have expanded federal healthcare and education programs for veterans. The GOP argued that the bill would bust the budget.
Senate Veterans Affairs Committee Chairman Bernie Sanders (I-VT) sponsored the bill that would have waived the VA spending cap that was previously established in a budget deal approved by both Congress and President Obama last December. Sander’s office estimated the legislation would have cost $20 billion over the course of ten years.
60 votes were needed to waive the budget rule. 41 out of 45 Republicans voted against it and killed the bill.
Reuters reported, “Supporters said the measure would have brought the most significant changes in decades to U.S. veterans’ programs. For example, it called for 27 new medical facilities to help a healthcare system that is strained by veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.”
Susan
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