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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 15, 2014 - 11:08am PT
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I don't know anything about Dann's. But feel free to tell us all about your new strawman so we can clearly illustrate the striking differences between Dann's and Bundy's as far as grazing rights are concerned.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Apr 15, 2014 - 11:09am PT
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Bundy paid his fees for over 110 years.
Damn, Methuselah up in this beyotch. (Nice. See you been editing there Chuff)
That's why they are annoyed with you
Negative. Ya'll are annoyed because he is systematically handing you your asses and blowing your "arguments" such as they are, completely out of the water while making you look like pathetic, inconsistent school children.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Apr 15, 2014 - 11:14am PT
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"During the era of homesteading, Western public rangelands were often overgrazed because of policies designed to promote the settlement of the West and a lack of understanding of these arid ecosystems. In response to requests from Western ranchers, Congress passed the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934 (named after Rep. Edward Taylor of Colorado), which led to the creation of grazing districts in which grazing use was apportioned and regulated. Under the Taylor Grazing Act, the first grazing district to be established was Wyoming Grazing District Number 1 on March 23, 1935. Secretary of the Interior Harold Ickes created a Division of Grazing within the Department to administer the grazing districts; this division later became the U.S. Grazing Service and was headquartered in Salt Lake City. In 1946, as a result of a government reorganization by the Truman Administration, the Grazing Service was merged with the General Land Office to become the Bureau of Land Management."
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Apr 15, 2014 - 11:14am PT
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Why did people from WY need to drive to southern NV with their guns?
Probably because they perceived that the BLM was going to kill some Bundys if they didn't. Police do shoot people in America for no just cause you know. They were also asserting their right to free speech and to bear arms as a matter of principle.
You don't have to agree with someone to try to understand where they're coming from.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 15, 2014 - 11:21am PT
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Probably because they perceived that the BLM was going to kill some Bundys if they didn't.
1000% cowshit! All the BLM was going to do was remove ILLEGAL cattle from BLM land. The armed militia came to prevent the BLM from removing the illegal cattle, plain and simple... and they were willing to use violence if they had to. They came to defend CRIMINALS.
The rest is Fux News right wing hysterical bullshit feeding on the emotions of idiots... and you fell for it. Pathetic.
“I’ve got a shotgun,” she said. “It’s loaded and I know how to use it. We’re ready to do what we have to do, but we’d rather win this in the court of public opinion.” - July 2013
Right... because right and wrong should be determined by guns or public opinion. Pathetic.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 15, 2014 - 11:21am PT
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Jan -- "You don't have to agree with someone to try to understand where they're coming from."
This exactly how an intelligent person "sees" these things.
Then the radical screwball fools on this site immediately try throw that person into the same bucket.
Bruce and mechrist take a vacation together we know you're gay.
You need to learn to listen more and post less .....
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Apr 15, 2014 - 11:23am PT
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Jan wrote: Probably because they perceived that the BLM was going to kill some Bundys if they didn't.
Weak sauce..just an excuse for these folks to flex their metal against the big, bad government.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Apr 15, 2014 - 11:28am PT
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Werner wrote: Bruce and mechrist take a vacation together we know you're gay.
Are you really that f*#k up Werner?
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Apr 15, 2014 - 11:29am PT
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Wes speaks the truth, and the rest of the nation continues to argue about irrelevant things. It goes to show that the majority of Americans are really dumb.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Apr 15, 2014 - 11:30am PT
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Bruce is nailing you folks and just can't seem to digest what he is saying.
Laws change..it happens all the time.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 15, 2014 - 11:34am PT
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Jan specifically said: She understands how they (Bundy and militia) are thinking and didn't agree with their actions.
That was all.
You nutcase then try to frame her into the Bundy and miltia actions.
You are the stupid the screwballs ....
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Apr 15, 2014 - 11:36am PT
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Bruce,
My values are not the same as the people who showed up in Nevada, but I understand them and I think the BLM while created for a good reason, often over extends its authority and is subject to corruption.
A deeper issue here, which nobody wants to address, is how to change outmoded institutions enshrined in a Constitution that is regarded as sacred for various reasons. We can't even get rid of the electoral college, let alone the right for any fool to bear arms.
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kpinwalla2
Social climber
WA
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Apr 15, 2014 - 11:44am PT
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This photo shot near City of Rocks a few years ago. Say no more...
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Sanskara
climber
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Apr 15, 2014 - 11:44am PT
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No screwballs bring guns to a protest.
Screwballs think they are better than people with whom they do not share the same pigment of skin.
Screwballs think somehow if you have a penis vrs a vagina you are more capable or entitled.
Screwballs think that if you choose to love another person of the same sex you are bad..
Screwballs think their opinions are the only ones that count.
Screwballs are willing to hurt and or kill others to see that their ideals are enforced..
Ron, Blue Cheif and Werner are screwballs in the purest sense but that's clear to see for anyone who is not a screwball.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 15, 2014 - 11:44am PT
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Then you specifically stated...
This exactly how an intelligent person "sees" these things.
Then the radical screwball fools on this site immediately try throw that person into the same bucket.
Bruce and mechrist take a vacation together we know you're gay.
You need to learn to listen more and post less .....
Werner why don't you ever specifically tell the frothing whackos of the right wing to STFU?
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Apr 15, 2014 - 11:54am PT
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Screwballs think their opinions are the only one's that count...
I guess that Bruce, Sanskara, Philo, and a host of others here fit that mold, too?
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Apr 15, 2014 - 11:58am PT
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Careful there Dingus, I was invited to join the riflery team at the University of Colorado years ago. I decided to go climbing with Layton Kor instead.My mother always thought the safer choice would have been to stick with the guns.
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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 15, 2014 - 11:58am PT
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Like I said earlier, it's already game over for Bundy.
Undoubtedly, the Feds are doing everything possible to seize his bank accounts and ask the court to hold him in contempt.
He will never be able to sell those cows, or acquire new ones on that property.
He has lost, he's just too stupid to realize it.
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Sanskara
climber
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Apr 15, 2014 - 11:59am PT
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No Broke,
But we do not feel the need to force our beliefs upon others like the right. We believe in equal rights and choice equal is the magic word!
You don't want to have an abortion don't f*#king have one.
You don't want to marry a man don't marry one.
You don't want to sit next to a black man, don't ride the f*#king bus!
But don't tell me that the black man should not be able to ride the bus just cuz you feel threatened by him. And think you are more entitled or important...
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Apr 15, 2014 - 12:01pm PT
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The Dann's NEVER paid any grazing fees for over 110 years prior to the BLM confiscating all their stock and taking the land away from them. They were on 40 Million acres of the Gov't's property.
I don't know who the Dann's are or how they are related to the Bundy's. Like I said, tell us a bit more about this new strawman of yours and we can discuss it.
If the cattle were on 40 million acres of gov't property and the Dann's NEVER paid any grazing fees... OF COURSE THEIR STOCK WAS CONFISCATED... they were grazing illegally. duh.
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