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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Dec 30, 2012 - 06:41pm PT
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I put zilch, no effect. Not minus signs. You should know the laws, and I'm sure you do, that he allowed to expire and/or change. Don't embarrass yourself by having a Canadian tell you. (national park gun laws, Amtrak gun laws...)
and jghedge, you are reading my logic wrong. If I had meant, 'don't do anything' that's what I would have said. I meant what I said - use the successes as a pattern for other situations. Your reading comprehension needs to increase to an adult level.
So besides reading comprehension issues and criticism, you haven't really said anything constructive.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Dec 30, 2012 - 09:30pm PT
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This one will really test the reading comprehension skills. A paper published in 2007 in the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy.
Link
MH I think you'll find this one interesting, there is a lot of comparative data across international lines.
About the authors:
*Don B. Kates (LL.B., Yale, 1966) is an American criminologist and constitutional lawyer associated with the Pacific Research Institute, San Francisco.
** Gary Mauser (Ph.D., University of California, Irvine, 1970) is a Canadian criminologist and university professor at Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, BC Canada.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 30, 2012 - 09:39pm PT
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that's right tooth
inconsequential bills he signed into law, I agree
yet you thought them important enough to mention above as somehow relevant to your "point" relating them to gun crime increases and decreases
critical thinking skills in action
PS: your being "Canadian" has nothing to do with your credibility or lack of it while commenting on American gun culture, yet you repeatedly bring it up, again unrelated
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Dec 30, 2012 - 09:41pm PT
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I included them to show the effect of passing laws on overall crime and that it made virtually no difference thus the flatline, not a plus or negative sign. Your post shows that you agree with the point I made, even if you didn't get it.
I'm not bringing up Canadian for credibility. I'm discussing a topic and I want you to think about points instead of being able to throw me into one of the two groups you have and then just attack me because I'm pro/con dem/repub since that gets you nowhere.
Are you really reading all this into it - - - or just trying to argue superfluous points and avoid the issue?
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Dec 30, 2012 - 09:48pm PT
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Mauser speaks out publicly against the United Nations Program of Action to Prevent, Combat and Eradicate the Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons in All Its Aspects. He and others know the Program is a scam for an international body to curtail citizens’ gun rights by declaring certain of their activities “illicit.”
Kris, read up a little on these guys.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 30, 2012 - 09:59pm PT
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tooth,
you talk a lot of "fluff" with little specifics for reducing mass murders in USA
you bemoan kids watching video games for example, along with other vaguenesses
you state that passing more laws won't do any good because we already have lots of laws
and that has not stopped mass murders here
you seem to blame many aspects of American life or "culture"
You know what, tooth?
anyone can criticize the obvious, as you are good at doing
I have asked you to quit screwing around and get specific, one would have to believe that you who are so capable of criticizing and analysis who also be capable of concrete, reasonable, and EFFECTIVE suggestions as solutions to mitigate this problem.
Yet you have really not offered anything like that.
I HAVE, when are YOU planning on doing so?
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Dec 30, 2012 - 10:13pm PT
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So you agree that you are arguing useless aspects of an individual instead of the points that I'm making.
If my points aren't specific enough, it is because there isn't a specific enough demographic to apply them to. If I were to apply those points to myself I could be specific. You have a varied population and trying to fit everyone into specific laws means you will need more than the 22,000 gun laws you already have. Nobody is going to do that, if you can't apply principles to individual situations you will remain frustrated that I'm not giving you specific enough examples that you can apply to a situation that they wouldn't work in so that you can criticize them.
Of course, you are more comfortable just making laws, then forcing everyone to fit into your square hole. That's a pipe dream. It is easy to say that we should take away every gun and then there will be no gun violence. Nobody argues with that logic, but it isn't possible in real life. You sure have been very specific in this way, but based on the assumption that we live in some dream. Not the reality that there are 200,000 guns out there that won't be turned in no matter what.
If I were to use your logic specifically and apply it to the nation as a whole instead of just my kids, I would say that nobody plays a video game with a gun in it, nobody watches a movie with a gun in it, but every kid learns to hunt and use a gun as a tool from a young age. But we all know that not one of those 3 points is possible to do as a nation even though it has happened in my family.
You seem to try and draw out all-or-none arguments so that you can simply deny that it can be done, and yet you use the same arguments yourself.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Dec 30, 2012 - 10:33pm PT
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Fix it or f*#k it, blowhards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!If you can't fix it, then kindly shut the f*#k up..............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Dec 30, 2012 - 11:10pm PT
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I think some people are making arguments just for the sake of arguing. Pointless.
It is almost as pointless to make up rules, try them out, and see if they fix the problem.
I'm suggesting using guiding principles from current reactions in US society to come up with solutions that are as specific as the US population. If someone needs hand-holding and specific rules that will make them happy and solve all of the crime, they won't get it. Not here, and not in real life. The way these two guys are asking to be led through each argument instead of doing any critical thinking themselves is equivalent to hand-holding.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Dec 30, 2012 - 11:19pm PT
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You seem fixated on the deaths Hedge. Calculate this.
"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future."
Adolph Hitler, 1935
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Dec 30, 2012 - 11:51pm PT
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From tooth:
I think some people are making arguments just for the sake of arguing. Pointless.
It is almost as pointless to make up rules, try them out, and see if they fix the problem.
Yep.
But that's the problem in this country. Just like there's a pill for everything, there must be a law too. With 1 in 5 on government cheese now(purchased on credit of course), the government has become parental. Daddy always has my best interests at heart after all.
This is different though in the sense a wedge is being driven on purpose. There's a lot of strange hate and anger with little focus, visible in these threads. We can't even come together as civil people and address the recent wave of mass killings. Instead we blame, we blame each other for the will of madmen. Christ there's talk of Civil War before legislation has even been passed! Combine this with certain financial distress or collapse and you have the perfect storm.
Anyway..
Everyone have a good New Year and hug your kids if you've got 'em.
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bit'er ol' guy
climber
the past
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Dec 31, 2012 - 12:42am PT
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GUNS ARE LAME-ASS.
THE BLOOD IS ON YOUR LIGHT WEIGHT CHICKEN SHhit SOFT WHITE HANDS.
WHAT A BUNCH OF LOSERS.
GET OFF ST AND GO KILL A SPARROW BAD ASSs.
SO WEAK. SO LAME.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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I ordered a new gun today.
I'm clearly not stable enough to be buying guns on a whim, yet it was sickeningly easy. WTF is wrong with this country?
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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LOL, the UN is going to take our 2nd amendment rights. Classic rightwing nuttery.
You are pretty gullible too, Ron. Always nice to read your e-mail inbox here.
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prickle
Gym climber
globe,az
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I ordered a new gun today.
I'm clearly not stable enough to be buying guns on a whim, yet it was sickeningly easy. WTF is wrong with this country?
i just sent your post to the fbi
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Yes, I am scared as hell about what President Obama is "doing" to take away my 2nd Amendment rights.
What was it again he was "doing"?
Oh yeah, now I remember,
After the mass murder 28 children and teachers, he said that we should be having a "national conversation", that we as a nation should try to "get together" and see if we can "do something" about all this.
Boy, does that kind of talk piss me off. I can just see my guns being taken away.
Only an ignorant, paranoid, and very naive person would conclude from what he said that he personally is "doing" something about my fuking 2nd Amendment "rights"
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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i just sent your post to the fbi
They won't care.
70K violations found on background checks, about half convicted felons stopped from purchasing a firearm
only 4000 deemed worthy of investigation
only 200 prosecutions.
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/bjs/grants/234173.pdf
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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The UN is not going to take away anything from American citizens,..
directly.
Instead, once they "decide" what kind of civil liberties countries can and cannot grant its own citizens in order for them to retain membership in the organization, the UN then hands the rabid anti-gun politicians a "justification" for their agenda.
Its fukking politics.
But how many gun related deaths were there in the UK?
:-(
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