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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 28, 2012 - 01:07pm PT
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Sorry Ron. I don't think I was clear in my comment about being defensive. I didn't mean defensive gun use, but rather people seeming irked when presented with info like Ed presented regarding firearm use in violence.
It's a fact. Firearms are used in a lot of fatal and even non-fatal violence (rape/sexual assault being the exception as less than 10% of those crimes utilize weapons (any weapons) at all). When Ed posted his info above, someone commented that the graphs included justifiable homicide. But they do not.
So, I was just curious why when shown that graph, some people seem so defensive about what it portrays.
I mean, firearms are here. And as a result there is firearm violence. What I find fascinating is why ANYONE is surprised about that. When some people are asked questions about it (see this thread as a fine example), they are often responded to in a very hostile manner. That is unfortunate as it impedes the sharing of information. It's too bad really.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jul 28, 2012 - 01:14pm PT
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I hear that at the Reno IHOP you can get Hoppes #9 with your pancakes.
But the taggers might have just stayed away from Ron's after seeing him loading up sleds with plaid pajamas.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 28, 2012 - 01:20pm PT
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No worries. I wasn't very clear.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jul 28, 2012 - 01:23pm PT
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the point is, movie theaters are very safe anyway... they are made no less, or no more by the singular event in Aurora.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 28, 2012 - 01:25pm PT
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True.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jul 28, 2012 - 01:49pm PT
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but the cheese is still illegal...
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jul 28, 2012 - 01:53pm PT
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probably unpasteurized
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 28, 2012 - 01:54pm PT
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You guys want queso fresco?
Let me make a couple phone calls, and we'll see what I can come up with.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 28, 2012 - 02:42pm PT
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So I guess no one wants to attempt to answer the pop quiz?
One of these was banned by the now expired 1994 Clinton "Assault Weapon" ban, and one was not...
Can you tell which is which?
According to the '94 Federal definition, one of these is NOT and "assault weapon".
Do you know why?
I'll give you a hint....
The M4 barrel profile of the second gun, which is to enable the mounting of the M203 grenade launcher, is NOT one of the banned features!
The M203 grenade launcher mounted to an M4...
I know some of the gun "nuts" here know the answer, but I was hoping some of the "anti" crowd would at least take a shot at it.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jul 28, 2012 - 02:51pm PT
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why would the 'anti-crowd" care?
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jul 28, 2012 - 02:58pm PT
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I bet you could really hunt bunny rabbits with that grenade launcher!
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 28, 2012 - 04:02pm PT
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I'm going to stick my neck out there, Shack, and guess "bayonet lug" as my final answer.
The reason I'm going with bayonet lug as the reason the anti-gun lawmakers used to outlaw that particular rifle is because I know there has never been a documented instance of a crime committed by someone armed with a fixed-bayoneted rifle.
Useless laws that never affect actual criminals - but cause all kinds of problems for ordinary folks - are the specialty of anti-gun lobby.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 28, 2012 - 04:26pm PT
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Ding! Ding! Ding! You are indeed correct Chaz.
That is one of the "evil" features that makes the first gun the banned one...
Can you spot the other 2 banned features?
Edit: Wade, the majority of them don't care...this is simply an attempt to educate.
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Gary
climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
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Jul 28, 2012 - 04:42pm PT
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Theres thousands of Coloradans now heading to thier local gun stores.
Somehow, that idea does not make me feel safer.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Jul 28, 2012 - 04:43pm PT
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Crimpergirl
Thanks for being a voice of reason. Informed choice is a real freedom.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 28, 2012 - 04:45pm PT
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Somehow, that idea does not make me feel safer.
Obviously, it is making those Coloradans feel safer.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 28, 2012 - 05:17pm PT
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It's called self defense. Not defense of the public-at-large.
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bullfrog
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 28, 2012 - 05:23pm PT
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Obviously, it is making those Coloradans feel safer.
Unfortunately with how easy it is to get a concealed carry permit in this state, that feeling of safety is likely little more than that. A feeling.
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