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Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Nov 21, 2010 - 12:59am PT
Werner = MisterAnswers.

(LEB = DMT.)
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Nov 21, 2010 - 01:02am PT
Don't eat Turkey this Holiday since Cannabalism is a sin . . .

Damn. That's a good line. I have no dog in the missile/no-missile fight, but I think Mr. Klimmer scored some serious points with that put-down.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 21, 2010 - 02:08am PT
Plot 250 pm your sat pic...
Shack

Big Wall climber
Reno NV
Nov 21, 2010 - 02:37am PT
For all of Klimmer's work in "proving" it was a missile,
surely they will promote him to the head of the Pseudoscience Department.



Hahaha!
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 21, 2010 - 02:50am PT
http://blog.bahneman.com/content/it-was-us-airways-flight-808

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/11/mystery-missile-is-probably-a-jet/

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19704-mystery-missile-likely-a-jet-contrail-says-expert.html

http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/aerospace/aviation/mystery-missile-wasnt-a-missile-at-all
"For some it was proof of Pentagon waste, for others proof of inadequate missile defense budgets. Government conspiracy buffs from the "chemtrailers" to alien visitationers quickly hopped on the event." [we knew that]

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mystery-contrail-satellite-image-101116.html

http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/mystery-missile-solved-jet-contrail-101109.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/11/stewart-mystery-missile-media_n_782085.html

Port

Trad climber
San Diego
Nov 21, 2010 - 11:05am PT
A startling act of accidental skywriting off the coast of Los Angeles Monday evening has become an aerial Rorschach test where every blogger and ideologue can spell out their own messages with the signs in the sky.

nature

climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
Nov 21, 2010 - 11:18am PT
monolith

climber
Berkeley, CA
Nov 21, 2010 - 11:38am PT
Nature, that pic has been shown a number of times.

Klimmer won't address it because he says the power of his stereo vision overrides simple geometry. Quite the scientist.
nature

climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
Nov 21, 2010 - 11:41am PT
Ah yes... like a good alien loving scientist SHOULD!

it was the UPS flight.


GAME OVER KLIMMER, GAME OVER!



(cuz I said so and that's all the matters).
monolith

climber
Berkeley, CA
Nov 21, 2010 - 11:45am PT
Oh RokJox, you are not paying attention.

Klimmer now claims the missile was 'ripping' downrange right away going away from the coast. He's out of the vertical launch scenario. But wait long enough and he will be back.

That pic (view from LAX) shows it was going towards the coast.

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 21, 2010 - 12:47pm PT
of course a rocket contrail would shear as it passed through the different layers of winds aloft...

I'm sure klimmer will address this when he presents his calculations supporting his hypothesis...
monolith

climber
Berkeley, CA
Nov 21, 2010 - 01:06pm PT
Contrails can persist and drift, unless you think these were all missiles as well.

MisterAnswers

Social climber
Ark on the Moon
Nov 21, 2010 - 01:26pm PT
Question: What it the single key point of Klimmer's case that this was a missile launch?

Answer: His stereoscopic vision!

Everyone who is interested needs to do one of two things. (1) find the stereo pairs, put your nose on your computer screen, cross your eyes, clear your mind and slowly move away from the screen waiting for that magic moment when the two images blend to become one in glorious 3D. That last bit will not happen so then you have to go to the trouble of: (2) get yourself a pair of stereoscopic viewers and now take a look at the photo pairs. Get closer and further, twist the viewers a little bit to account for the changing angle of the photos with respect to the horizon and see if you can see what Klimmer claims to see. His entire argument is balanced on this one claim that he can "see" a column the goes more or less straight up from the ocean.

As a small aside, Klimmer's claim that he does not need to measure the parallax angle, only to "see" it is not correct. Even with his "visions" of twisting, WNW by N columns going skywards he needs to make a parallax *measurement* to set the distance, claim that a plume was seen on the satellite images at that distance and do his subsequent sophisticated calculations using advanced mathematics.
Dave

Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
Nov 21, 2010 - 01:36pm PT
Geez, monolith - those are chemtrails, not contrails. haven't you been paying attention to anything Klimmer has been posting. :) LOL.
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Nov 21, 2010 - 01:51pm PT
Rox,,,,,guidance systems kick in as soon as a missile is launched. corrections are made the minute its flight starts...And the course corrections shown in the pics and film directly correspond to the sat images of the missile exhaust patterns....Let your eyes be the judge.

of course a rocket contrail would shear as it passed through the different layers of winds aloft...

i brought this up previously--this doesn't look like shear, it looks like an adjustment of thrust. shear is horizontal, this looks diagonal.

i would call it a thrust bend. a contrail's gonna be straight. there's a dogleg in the track here, and it's not coming from a crosswind, it's coming because the little gremlin who pilots the missile decided to readjust the thrust slightly shortly after the launch ...

http://spacefellowship.com/news/art23876/it-s-a-bird-it-s-a-missile-it-s-an-airplane-.html

nice posting of chemtrails, monolith. go back and retake the meteorology course which was part of your know-it-all degree. we don't have conditions in the atmosphere whereby airplanes run into brick walls of atmospheric pressure. if that were even possible, it'd the same motherf*#ken brick wall, not a brick wall for one airplane and a different one for the next airplane, as demonstrated in your second picture there. but when you flick the feed switch, that shuts it off fine.

don't wanna believe in chemtrails? okay, let's play it your way. done your green thing for today? picked up a candy wrapper on the trail back from half dome? when was the last time you heard congress debating or fox news reporting on an issue like high-altitude smog? smog is something for liberals to buy priuses for. chemtrails or whateverthef*#k, nobody wrings their hands about what you see in mono's third and fourth pictures there, laid fast, furious and intentionally. let me check last week's sierra club action alert, i'm sure they're all concerned about it.
monolith

climber
Berkeley, CA
Nov 21, 2010 - 02:20pm PT
The point was contrails can persist. Point proven.

And as far as what Tony said, can someone translate from gibberish?
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 21, 2010 - 02:30pm PT
Ron Anderson is a member of the flat earth society too

so much for the horizon and the globe...
hey Ron, maybe you can calculate what distance the apparent horizon is as a function of your altitude... maybe not, klimmer couldn't do it

tony is feeling self-righteous today, we are destroying the environment and he wants us to stop...
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Nov 21, 2010 - 02:48pm PT
so much bruhaha over an airplane contrail... which is a much more reasonable and supported explanation

but I am impressed that we have such fine "internet intelligence" that we are privy to memos of the Russian government...

I think you've gotten excited and let your imagination run away with you, Ron, zip it up and try to rethink how we got here

in any event if the helicopter was flying on the opposite bearing as the aircraft, it is optimally bad for digging out any of the depth, speed, etc, detail... but let's not let any reasonable fact get in the way of a good international conspiracy theory

the problem with looking at the pictures is that you don't know what you are looking at, but you are "seeing" a lot, you might want to think about that
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Nov 21, 2010 - 03:02pm PT
so much for the horizon and the globe...
hey Ron, maybe you can calculate what distance the apparent horizon is as a function of your altitude... maybe not, klimmer couldn't do it


Ed,


Why are you dishonest? Why do you make-up crap?

I chose to do the original calculation ignoring the curvature of the Earth. It was a quick estimate, but not incredibly wrong.

I can do it. I can look it up and do the calculation for any given height. But at some height it is a dimishing return, (i.e. Apollo missions to the Moon, X altitude above the Earth on the way to the Moon could not see anymore than half the Earth at a certain point.)


I have a holiday/trip to get ready for don't have the time to hang-out and keep argueing the same things over and over again.





Nice find Ron A.:


http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-517026?ref=feeds%2Flatest

A new report circulating in the Kremlin today prepared for Prime Minister Putin by Director Anatoly Perminov of the Russian Federal Space Agency states that an Arkon-1 military satellite monitoring the western coastal regions of North America detected an “EMP anomalous event” occurring on November 8th at 0600 Pacific Standard Time (-8 hours GMT) that bore the “direct signature” of a YJ-62 subsonic anti-ship missile fired from a Chinese People’s Liberation Navy Type 041 submarine (NATO code name Yuan-Class) [photo 2nd left] known to be patrolling approximately 200 kilometers off United States coast.
Nearly 11 hours after this EMP “event”, this report further says, Arkon-1 then detected a BGM-109 (Tomahawk) subsonic cruise missile launched from a US Navy Ohio-Class submarine operating off the coast of California [photo bottom left] on a “training mission” from its home port located at US Navy’s Kitsap Base in Washington State and was enroute to the largest American Naval Base on the US west coast in San Diego, California.



The above article appears to come from this source:

Not sure what to say about it . . .

November 10, 2010
Chinese EMP Attack Prompts US Missile Strike After Cruise Ship Crippled
By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1421.htm





I just looked at the stereograms, despite my promise to myself to stop reading this stupid thread. I expected the 3D effect to be pronounced as Klimmer claimed. But instead it was barely detectable at all. The visual cues from the nearby clouds were much stronger.

Not at all convincing. A dud.


Del Cross,


Look at all of them. I didn't even have to prompt people looking at them with me, when they looked. They could see it for themselves and clearly identified the exhaust/vapor plume goes away from the coast, away from the observer (to the W - WNW direction). The zoomed in ones are really good, and the enhanced parallax images show it even easier; haven't had time to post those yet.

I will take my time, finish my calculations, and include the enhanced stereograms also. I will eventually post. But what I have already shown, does it very well already.

Also make sure you zoom in and make the stereograms as big as possible on screen and sit-back or stand back with "pokecope" and it works wonderfully.
monolith

climber
Berkeley, CA
Nov 21, 2010 - 03:17pm PT
Cool, now an EMP event happened.

Does that mean a nuclear weapon exploded, Klimmer?
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