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healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 20, 2010 - 10:10pm PT
Aliens, Sasquatch, and Nessie - why they're everywhere! Yet no one seems to be able to produce a single one. UFOs? They're in the sky almost every day and night! Yet not a single one has ever landed in a public place and said hello.
dirtbag

climber
May 20, 2010 - 10:11pm PT
LOL, skip.

But WHY, WHY are you so wrong on everything?
Port

Trad climber
San Diego
May 21, 2010 - 01:13am PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7vwZJgJ0Bc&feature=related
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 21, 2010 - 07:11pm PT
Another peaceful moment of reflectance between the raging storms and gusts of ignorance in regards to the reality of UFOs/Aliens . . . and the truth that they're already here.


David Bowie: Space Oddity


David Bowie- Space Oddity Original Video (1969)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D67kmFzSh_o


David Bowie's "Space Oddity"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhSYbRiYwTY



I like the second well known version better. Classic.




Far above the Moon . . . Planet SuperTaco is Blue, and there's nothing I can do . . .

May GOD's love be with You . . .
graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
May 21, 2010 - 10:24pm PT
"Insanity is a twisted road. Pathetic."

Word.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
May 21, 2010 - 10:25pm PT
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 21, 2010 - 10:32pm PT
Some more tranquility before the next storm . . .


David Bowie - Is there Life On Mars?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueUOTImKp0k


David Bowie is proof positive that Aliens are among us. Lol.












(I'm just joking about DB. He is a brilliant and talented musician.)
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 21, 2010 - 10:47pm PT
Pate,

Do you not just like good music?

I didn't post those music videos to support anything other than the topic of the music -- space related and just pure good music, allegories aside.

It is nice to still the waters of debate occasionally.


It is no surprise to anyone who has a clue regarding David Bowie's sexuality choice(s). But I hadn't heard Major Tom was his coming out of the closet debue. The song debued during the Apollo Missions period of time. News to me. Even if true, all allegories have multiple meanings. I'll choose to hear it relevant to space travel.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
May 21, 2010 - 10:48pm PT
Sorry Pate, have to disagree with you on this one. The song's about his heroin addiction, followed by "Major Tom Coming Home" describing his going straight, like all the other rockers in the 80s.

Edit: Oops, meant "Ashes to Ashes"
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 21, 2010 - 11:02pm PT
Skept,

Have to agree with you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Oddity_(album);


Also, Stanley Kubrick's classic film was an influence, Space Odyssey 2001 . . .

In a 2003 interview with Performing Songwriter magazine, Bowie explained: "In England, it was always presumed that it was written about the space landing, because it kind of came to prominence around the same time. But it actually wasn't. It was written because of going to see the film 2001, which I found amazing. I was out of my gourd anyway, I was very stoned when I went to see it, several times, and it was really a revelation to me. It got the song flowing. It was picked up by the British television, and used as the background music for the landing itself. I'm sure they really weren't listening to the lyric at all (laughs). It wasn't a pleasant thing to juxtapose against a moon landing. Of course, I was overjoyed that they did. Obviously, some BBC official said, 'Oh, right then, that space song, Major Tom, blah blah blah, that'll be great.' 'Um, but he gets stranded in space, sir.' Nobody had the heart to tell the producer that."

http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=1201
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 21, 2010 - 11:05pm PT
Pate,

Honest question.

Why the constant infatuation, or lust for Nuns?




edit:


For Pate. Because I had a "c" in the word. My bad.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 21, 2010 - 11:16pm PT
Dr. F,

Yes, many were hoping that President Obama would be the brave one to do so. I also shared my doubt that it would really happen.

The US Government would be confessing to covering it up for 60 + years to do so. That isn't going to sit too well with the American public or the World. And that would open Pandora's Box. But Pandora's Box is opening elsewhere, anyway, but not here. So our hand will more than likely be forced. Good, I say. The World has much to complain about with regards to how the US of A has been acting.

But other Countries are doing so -- disclosing. Being honest and truthful is liberating. The US Government has a lot to learn about honesty. But when you are bent on Power, Control, Corruption, Greed, and Imperialism, it is a little hard to see straight.

We have a long way to go.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 22, 2010 - 12:31am PT
From another ST thread on Evolution but just as relevant here . . .


Can you not all agree, IF Aliens have been visiting Earth, and visiting for a very long time throughout our existance and perhaps prior to our existance, then Evolution as we understand it (our nice neat little package of Darwinian Evolution) then would be subject to a massive overhaul?

I'll have to post the Brookings Report Study statement regarding the possible discovery of intelligent life that was published in News Papers here in the USA, and what such a discovery would mean to mankind. Then you will understand the reluctance to say what we have discovered, if we have indeed discovered intelligent life off Earth.

I'll get back later . . .


On another thread (this one), hint-hint, there are plenty of links, articles, videos posted showing that we are and have been visited by intelligent life.

Well, known Astronauts have said so.

Well, known politicians have come out and said they have seen UFOs.

Well respected military personel and scientists (over 400 in The Disclosure Project) have come out and said that yes it is a real phenomenon, and we have and are being visited by Aliens.

Many countries are now disclosing their UFO files and opening official websites for individuals to search.

Several really well known scientists are now openly discussing the concept, Steven Hawkings, and the late Carl Sagan disclosed he knew that UFOs/Aliens are a real phenomenon, but would not publically state his beliefs for fear of losing funding.

Insiders are coming out who have indeed worked at the infamous Area 51 and have disclosed that we have made contct with aliens, we study them, and we have back engineered some of their technology.

Some retired NASA employees are coming out and stating openly what they know and have done. Several have come out and openly stated they were involved and knew those involved in erasing evidence of UFO/Alien/ET presence from Lunar images.

People around the World are seeing incredible phenomenon that they have never seen before, reporting it, and the incidence of such reporting is increasing, and they characterise these sightings as UFOs/Alien/ETs and intelligent.

The idea of UFOs/Aliens are constantly in our different forms of media as entertainment, and openly debated on many TV shows now.

Many TV shows are now devoted to the topic in a serious way such as UFO Hunters and Ancient Aliens on the History Channel as well as many more programs.

The evidence is piling up, disclosure has happened and is happening.

If UFOS/Aliens are a real phenomenon, then the reality that they have been here all along is also very real and ever present. Just watch the program Ancient Aliens or read books on said topic.

The fact that our government does not want to talk about it and goes out of their way to avoid having to talk about it, is very real.

Case in point, the Brookings Institute Report, and the perceived need to hush-up the UFO/Alien phenomenon for fear that our civilization as we know it would radically change and come to an end. I think this is a massive false and fraudulent arguement. Fraudulently keeping it secret is a matter of protecting one's immoral lust of greed and power, and hanging onto that immoral greed and power no matter what.

The UFO/Alien phenomenon will challenge our perceptions of what we know in science (including Evolution) and what we believe in religion, and our Society as a whole, no doubt. But the truth is paramount and the only way to go. Anything else is an illusion and fraud.

Those of strong faith who believe in GOD and Jesus, will not be surprised by all of this, since the Good Book discusses this period of time and what to expect, and it does so in detail.


Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 22, 2010 - 12:41am PT
Ask yourself, why is our US Government so bent on extraditing Gary McKinnon from the UK?

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/interviews/janis_sharp/janis_sharp.html

Project Camelot: An interview with Janis Sharp: Free Gary McKinnon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUtNq0-NYVo&feature=player_embedded

On my recent trip to London I was fortunate to get the chance to meet Janis Sharp, Gary McKinnon's mother, a powerhouse who has been very actively working to stop the extradition of her son to the U.S. She has been surprisingly successful in generating a grass roots movement of support that includes such luminaries as Sting, Bob Geldof and Chrissie Hynde. As many people know, Gary McKinnon is also an accomplished and talented musician. Through Janis's efforts a new renditon of the well known protest song "Chicago" by Graham Nash has been released and is available on the Free Gary website for download.

A short summary of the case from the Free Gary website:

"...seven years since his initial arrest !). Gary was indicted by a US court in November 2002, accused of "hacking" into over 90 US Military computer systems from here in the UK. The unjust treatment of British citizens (and others) when facing the might of the US Military "justice" system, which practices detention without trial in Guantanamo Bay and elsewhere, and stands accused of making use of torture by allied regimes ("extraordinary rendition") is an ongoing scandal. It cannot be excused even by a "war on terror". It seems only just that Gary should face any charges in a British court, and to serve any sentence, if he is found guilty, in a British prison.

While it is obviously crucial that Gary not be extradited, as many will know who have followed Project Camelot since the beginning, I interviewed Gary back in 2006. I encourage you to watch the original interview with Gary "Hacking the Pentagon" which really shows his personality and brings forward what he found using a dial-up modem several years ago; records within NASA and the Pentagon that detailed non-terrestrial officers, fleet-to-fleet off- world transfers... in essence evidence of the existence of the secret space program and the true advances in technology and space travel code name: Solar Warden.

Kerry Lynn Cassidy

May 2010


Original Interview with Gary:
http://projectcamelot.org/gary_mckinnon.html

http://freegary.org.uk/



Gary "Hacking the Pentagon" which really shows his personality and brings forward what he found using a dial-up modem several years ago; records within NASA and the Pentagon that detailed non-terrestrial officers, fleet-to-fleet off- world transfers... in essence evidence of the existence of the secret space program and the true advances in technology and space travel code name: Solar Warden.


That is why the US Government, the Pentagon, the Secret Shadow Government wants to extradite Gary. That is the only reason. All the rest is unbelievably low level hacking and made up damage charges by the US.

The ACLU has come out in support of Gary McKinnon.

ACLU Calls Pentagon Hacker’s Extradition ‘Tragic’
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/08/aclu-mckinnon/

American Civil Liberties Union attacks David Miliband over UK/US extradition treaty
A US civil liberties group backed by a host of Hollywood celebrities has attacked the controversial extradition treaty which could see British computer hacker Gary McKinnon shipped to the United States on computer hacking charges.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6099715/American-Civil-Liberties-Union-attacks-David-Miliband-over-UKUS-extradition-treaty.html


Chicago/We Can Change The World (Gary Mckinnon Support Video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LQKnJDh1Bk
graniteclimber

Trad climber
Nowhere
May 22, 2010 - 04:49am PT
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 22, 2010 - 05:13pm PT
Wow, hadn't seen these articles before . . .


Part 3: Star Trek vs Solar Warden – the real Starfleet
May 8, 6:10 AMHonolulu Exopolitics Examiner Michael Salla, Ph.D

http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m5d8-Star-Trek-vs-Solar-Warden--the-real-Starfleet


Other related articles:

Part 2: NASA decline and antigravity space fleetPart
http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m5d6-NASA-decline-related-to-antigravity-space-fleet


Part 1: Reagan records & Space Command antigravity fleet
http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m4d15-Reagan-records--Space-Commands-secret-antigravity-fleet



How the U.S. Government Suppressed the World’s First Civilian Spacecraft Industry
http://exopoliticsjournal.com/vol-2/vol-2-1-Salla.pdf


Reagan’s extraterrestrial fixation – will records reveal UFO briefing?
http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m4d12-Was-President-Reagan-briefed-about-extraterrestrial-life


Artistic Recreation of Extraterrestrial Visiting Space Shuttle released by former Space Craft Operator
http://www.exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-77.htm

Growing Media Interest in UFOs - Is Partial Official Disclosure of UFOs as Classified Antigravity Vehicles Inevitable?
http://www.exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-64.htm

UFOs and Obama Memorandum on Scientific Integrity
http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m3d11-UFOs-and-Obama-Memorandum-on-Scientific-Integrity?cid=exrss-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner


Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 22, 2010 - 06:33pm PT
http://www.dojopsi.info/forum/index.php?topic=1876.0


Former Head Of Lockheed confirms ET craft exists

The Late Ben R Rich

CEO Ben Rich, the hand-picked successor of Skunk Works founder Kelly
Johnson and the man famous for the F-117 Nighthawk "Stealth" fighter, its
half-pint prototype the HAVE BLUE, and the top secret F-19 Stealth
Interceptor. Before Rich died of cancer, Andrews took my questions to him. Rich confirmed:

1. There are two types of UFOs -- the ones we build, and ones THEY build. We learned from both crash retrievals and actual "Hand-me-downs." The Government knew, and until 1969 took an active hand in the administration of that information. After a 1969 Nixon "Purge", Administration was handled by international board of directors in the private sector.

2. "'An' item" -- as opposed to "'The' item" -- was recovered near the
world's only combat operational atom bomb base (Roswell AAF) in 1947. Hull design, aerodynamic measurements and propulsion info was passed directly to Jack Northrop and Kelly Johnson, beginning in 1950, with a major block of data being passed on from "The Working Group" at Wright Patterson AFB's Foreign Technologies Division in 1952. "'The' item" refers to the top secret
designation of Kelly's original variant of the U-2 (TR-1) spy plane in
Congressional and Pentagon budgets in the 1950s.

3. Nearly all "Biomorphic" aerospace designs were inspired by the Roswell
spacecraft, from Kelly's SR-71 Blackbird onward to today's drones, UCAVs, and
aerospace craft.

On March 23, 1993, at an engineering conference in Los Angeles, Dr. Ben R. Rich stated to the future Section Director of the Mutual UFO Network of Orange County, California, engineer Jan Harzan, that we already had in our possession the technology to take us to the stars, saying that “we now have the technology to take ET home”. This was in a conference room full of aerospace and computer engineers from many different aerospace and software companies.

The late Ben R. Rich, a UCLA School of Engineering alumnus who is known as the “Father of Stealth”, is recognized as one of the best aircraft engineers in the world and led development of the heralded F-117 stealth fighter.

see also :
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2003/dec/m09-012.shtml

Josh,

I will answer for him as I have that data. Jan Harzan is the
Director of MUFON O.C. and it is he who heard the statements.

Well, it just so happens that Jan was the source of the rumor
that Ben Rich made statements in a presentation he gave to the
group of engineers which happened to be members of a UCLA Alumni
association who were invited to hear this presentation by Ben
Rich on March 23, 1993.

The late Ben R. Rich, a UCLA School of Engineering alumnus (MS
'50) who is known as the "Father of Stealth," is recognized as
one of the best aircraft engineers in the world and led
development of the heralded F-117 stealth fighter.

Knowing Jan, I called him to clarify what Ben said at this
presentation to UCLA engineering alumni. I work at UCLA and am
only steps away from the engineering building.

Here is what Jan, a Senior Project Executive with Boeing told me
about Ben's presentation:

 Ben showed slides and went through the history of the Skunk
Works. Showed pics of U2 and SR-71 and drones that no one had
seen before.

 The kicker was the last slide. It showed a black disk headed
for space. Ben showed this and made the statement, "We now have
the technology to take ET home". He made this statement in 1993,
but did not say how long we have had this tech.

There was a Q&A after the lecture. In this Q&A, he told the
engineers that it was now possible to travel to the stars. There
was an error in the equations which was corrected. The time of
travel is fast, but he didn't say how fast.

Ben said he believed that security was too oppressive and that
the time had come to develop this technology in the commercial
world now that the cold war has ended. Months later he died of
cancer.

Jan is going to consult with his friend Tom who was also present
and do an article on this in a future MUFON Journal.


 Bill Hamilton


Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 22, 2010 - 07:19pm PT
This is a really good article and a major eye-opener . . .

Part 1: Reagan records & Space Command antigravity fleet
http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m4d15-Reagan-records--Space-Commands-secret-antigravity-fleet

On April 13, the National Archive Records Administration made available almost 250,000 pages of documents from President Reagan's administration.



President Reagan's Diary. The entry for Tuesday, June 11, 1985 (page 334) reads:

Lunch with 5 top space scientist. It was fascinating. Space truly is the last frontier and some of the developments there in astronomy etc. are like science fiction, except they are real. I learned that our shuttle capacity is such that we could orbit 300 people.


Wow! Paydirt! Reagan admits that we had the shuttle capacity to orbit 300 people! Truly incredible. Ronald Ray-Gun right there admits we have a Secret Astronaut Corp and Secret Space Program, right there in his diary. Because, we certainly didn't have that capability known publically. Truly, truly amazing.


This is curious since the Space Shuttle holds a maximum of eight people and only five were built for space flight. Even if all five took off fully loaded it would be impossible to place and maintain 300 astronauts in orbit. Was Reagan revealing the existence of a highly classified space program that could accommodate hundreds of astronauts in orbit? Apparently so according to dozens of military and corporate whistleblowers. Hidden within one of the ten unified combatant commands of the U.S. military, Strategic Command, is a highly classified fleet of aircraft carrier sized antigravity vehicles that operate in outer space.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Topic Author's Reply - May 22, 2010 - 09:58pm PT
Rokjox,


Post up what you got. When I go to the official LRO site their image catalog is sooo limited. The closest I have seen is the floor of the Tsiolkovskiy Crater . . .

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/201000430_tsiol.html

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/450798main_tsiol_1_lg.jpg

Nice bouldering field by the way ;-)



I have contact information for the LRO team, I'm thinking of giving them a call. I have specific questions for them. Before a FOIA request can be made you have to go through the normal channels and see if the product is already available. I kinda doubt that it is.
LithiumMetalman

Trad climber
cesspool central
May 23, 2010 - 02:35am PT
I think people tend underestimate the ingenuity of man when it comes to structures like stonehenge or the pyramids.

It would seem many would rather look to an "outside" answer rather than a logical, if not perhaps a simple answer to:

"gee how, was stonehenge or the pyramids built?"

I still believe that man built the pyramids and stonehenge with sticks and stones with some brainpower behind it:


Check out Wally Wallington:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK1Rzch89Dw


Plausible? I would think so.

I think as humans we tend to forget how to use / know about techniques or skills that our forefathers used eg:

eg. brake biner rappels, etc.

As time goes by we have newer technologies, innovations or techniques that tend to replace/overshadow yesteryears.

I wouldn't be surpised that we have forgotten alot of old techniques, tricks or skills that were once used on daily basis in construction, art, ninja knitting skills, etc

What's the saying?

"Don't use it, you lose it"



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