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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Good question?!?!?!?!?
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Mar 25, 2010 - 06:06pm PT
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Bob,
You are right there, sad to say.
But aside from the politicians I feel the statement does ring true.
I don't want to loose half of my lung capacity due to someone not getting treated for TB.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Mar 25, 2010 - 06:11pm PT
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Generally local and regional health authorities have considerable power to take necessary steps to protect public health, in particular with regard to communicable diseases. Sometimes their powers can be challenged in court, e.g. those of forcing someone to be quarantined for treatment, but the courts rarely overturn such decisions. If the authorities are sure that someone is a threat to public health, they can and often will do something about it.
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Good question?!?!?!?!?
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Mar 25, 2010 - 06:27pm PT
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MH,
I believe you are correct.
But the individual needs to be brought to the attention of the government organization for any of this to have teeth/meaning.
I'd venture to say that if a person does not have health insurance and contracts TB it will be "too late" for governmental intervention to be effective once the person is out in public and
People with the best of intentions could become your worst enemy. Not having insurance, coughing like mad but thinking it is the flu and not getting it checked out until it is to late.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Mar 25, 2010 - 06:30pm PT
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High desert...you really have to wonder what is happening to the republican party? They just don't lose the brightest and the best, they are kicking them out.
They seem to be playing to the lowest common denominator.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Mar 25, 2010 - 07:07pm PT
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It's amazing because every once in a while an insider will actually tell the truth and they just devour them. It's no wonder there is never any progress within the party because they just declare anyone not on board to be a heretic. The only people that are listened to are people who stand up and say "no no...we are losing because we aren't extreme and vitriolic ENOUGH!"
I remember Tucker Carlson showed up last year at CPAC and had the cojones to say that the New York Times actually reported news in a journalistic manner and that if conservatives didn't start doing the same then they would lose credibility and he got booed off the stage.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Mar 25, 2010 - 07:45pm PT
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They have hoarded the wealth and they essentially control the military industrial complex. Now they just sit back, agitate the morons, and encourage anarchy disguised as patriotism.
So when conservatives gather in dissent it's anarchy, but when neo-commie liberals (sometimes in face-masks) break things in protest it's patriotic dissent?
Murtha got a lot of cash from the "military industrial" complex among others...
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apogee
climber
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Mar 25, 2010 - 07:46pm PT
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"...David Frum was forced out of the American Enterprise Institute."
Hoooly shizzle...they gave him the boot???!11
Man, the 'purification' continues....is anybody gonna be left in the GOP after all this?
Here's a comment that someone left regarding the Frum-expulsion article:
Double down on failure. Triple down on failure. Shoot the messenger.
Party leaders: Boehner, McConnell, Cantor, Coburn.
Political tactics: tantrums, inciting violence, NO, and moving further right.
Party symbol: a pasty, fat, white lady with teabags hanging from her Braves cap.
Nice.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Mar 25, 2010 - 07:56pm PT
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Yes, we will all die someday. But are you saying that the only people we should save with expensive treatments are those that can pay for such treatments out-of-pocket?
Do you really think that those who do jobs paying under 50K have less value to society?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Mar 25, 2010 - 07:58pm PT
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bluering demagogued - So when conservatives gather in dissent it's anarchy, but when neo-commie liberals (sometimes in face-masks) break things in protest it's patriotic dissent?
Nice straw man there bluering. Nobody here is defending violent or damaging protest of any sort. As usual you scream about others being biased and then pretend your own incredibly partisan viewpoint is the middle ground.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Mar 25, 2010 - 08:02pm PT
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HDDJ, every war or G20 or G8 protest is violent. ELF, ALF, etc...
What did the tea baggers do that has been proven?
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apogee
climber
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Mar 25, 2010 - 08:05pm PT
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"What did the tea baggers do that has been proven?"
You don't deserve an answer to that question until you can answer exactly what it is about the HR bill that qualifies as 'socialist'.
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Mar 25, 2010 - 08:25pm PT
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dirtbag -your use of hate speech is over the top. Banishment is the only
solution to keep Supertopo the forum it is.
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Hope you get help.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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Mar 25, 2010 - 08:26pm PT
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Fat wrote: Eliminate multiple tests, inefficient record keeping, frivolous lawsuits, etc. Just getting more people covered does not reduce the costs.
Maybe that what a PO would have done...seems to work in other countries!!!
What is a Corniss??
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jstan
climber
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Mar 25, 2010 - 08:34pm PT
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CC:
Can you please give us the link to dirtbag's "hate speech."
Would appreciate it.
John
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Mar 25, 2010 - 09:04pm PT
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Now they just sit back, agitate the morons, and encourage anarchy disguised as patriotism.
Didn't you say this, Wes?
Apogee, isn't taxing people who make over 200/250K to pay for little/no taxpayers somewhat socialist?
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dirtbag
climber
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Mar 25, 2010 - 09:15pm PT
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dirtbag -your use of hate speech is over the top. Banishment is the only
solution to keep Supertopo the forum it is.
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Hope you get help.
ok brilliant one
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apogee
climber
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Mar 25, 2010 - 09:22pm PT
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"...isn't taxing people who make over 200/250K to pay for little/no taxpayers somewhat socialist?"
That's a greeeeaaaaattttt biiiiigggg streeeettttccccchhhh from the definition of Socialism, bluering. We all pay taxes that are diverted to things we don't like or support. Considering that those people you are talking about make up a low, single digit percentage of the populous, it doesn't seem out of line to me, no.
And don't forget that this bill (now law, mind you) still operates entirely on the free market, capitalist, profit-driven insurance system. No public option, no government run system- just a set of rules to make things fairer and maybe help make people a little healthier.
You're reeeeeaaacccccchhhhhing with that 'definition', bluering. Try again.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Mar 25, 2010 - 09:23pm PT
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Apogee, isn't taxing people who make over 200/250K to pay for little/no taxpayers somewhat socialist?
No, that's progressive taxation, a cornerstone of the American Way for almost 100 years now. Those who derive the greatest benefit from a system rigged to benefit them, owe a greater debt to the society that supports them.
Check out the tax rates for the upper brackets in the 1950s, bluering. Remember the '50s? This is the time that so many teabaggers and conservatives wish to return to.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Mar 25, 2010 - 09:28pm PT
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Apogee, I'm not really opposed to setting up a high-risk pool or cannot-afford pool (with proof), that is then subsidized by taxpayers...ALL taxpayers, with a larger burden on the more wealthy.
But...
Handing over many parts of the industry to gov't control (not just regulation), is troubling to me. Big Pharma will suddenly not produce as many new beneficial drugs, for example. Medical device manufacturers will be burdoned. And creativity and innovation will be stifled. As sure as I'm sitting here this will happen.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Mar 25, 2010 - 09:31pm PT
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So now it's a battle between teabaggers and socialists apparently...
I'll take the independently conservative teabagger corner, personally. And yeah, they are throwing RINO Repubs under the bus, God bless 'em!
You ain't a Repub if you can't be fiscally conservative!
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