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Realist
Big Wall climber
Victoria Australia
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Hi All,
I would consider financing the project, if we can get some idea on production time, current funding that is in the bank, confirmed number to be purchased, detailed costing broken down into separate line items and some form of written production schedule.
I am happy to cover the production costs for the entire number ordered as well as a written form of intent to purchase from those that are currently listed on the purchase schedule. If interested in the up front cash please email me at directord@overwatchgroup.com
Dave
Edit: I have the money in the bank and am happy to finance the first production run to save getting finance through an organisation. I will do this with some further discussion or email by the designers.
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GhoulweJ
Trad climber
Sacramento, CA
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Go Realist!
Disc Brake Australia could forge the hammer heads for less than we can in the USA.
Jay
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Realist
Big Wall climber
Victoria Australia
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Hey Mate,
The issue with shipping from the USA, then to Australia would potentially increase the costs above your $100 mark. Combined with that I would be importing steel for production in Australia, liable for import tax and then we would be hit for exporting and item for sale out of Australia.
There in lies the problem on that front.
I would not rely on someone picking the metal in Aus to forge then send to the USA as all the corporate knowledge lies in the USA.
Dave
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Moof
Big Wall climber
A cube at my soul sucking job in Oregon
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I'm ready to pre-pay, and I'd be happy to front a couple hundred extra to help grease the works (all I can handle at the moment). Say the word, check, paypal, what have you. I know your good for it Joseph.
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Prod
Trad climber
Dodge Sprinter Dreaming
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Bump
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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I'm ready to prepay also.
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dangry
Trad climber
the bay-sierra complex
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Dec 15, 2009 - 02:00pm PT
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bump
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mucci
Trad climber
The pitch of Bagalaar above you
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Dec 15, 2009 - 02:05pm PT
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Standing by the paypal button waiting to launch some cash money!
Mucci
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the museum
Trad climber
Rapid City
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Dec 15, 2009 - 09:32pm PT
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Awesome!
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perswig
climber
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Dec 15, 2009 - 09:59pm PT
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 15, 2009 - 10:16pm PT
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Theron and I did manage to get in a chat today while he was running his plasma cutter - will post up some status later tonight.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 31, 2009 - 06:27am PT
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So this is where we're currently at: Theron is going to be the one actually making these fine hammer and so he's facing the real risks associated with producing them. We've discussed running out of gas on finding an angel money person - which is reasonable given this isn't an investment opportunity; we've talked about the paypal pre-pay option and I'm looking into the kickstarter.com pledge thresholding system as well. But Theron also talked about plowing some the profits from his other climbing product lines, like Tomahawks and Cam Hooks, back into the hammers. If that were the way we went I'd probably spring for the handles if he did the heads.
At the moment he's pretty busy with other work and so as soon as he can get back to it we'll come to final decision and I'll defer to his choice in the matter. Either way we hope to finally pull the trigger in 2010 whenever his production schedule gets a sufficient window.
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Rock!...oopsie.
Trad climber
the pitch above you
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Dec 31, 2009 - 07:33am PT
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Sounds like a New Years resolution to me! Still standing by with credit card and an eager hammer swingin' arm.
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Prod
Trad climber
Dodge Sprinter Dreaming
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Dec 31, 2009 - 08:11am PT
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Healyje,
How many prepay customers would it take to do a production run? I'd be willing to bet that we have at least 40 or so who would prepay right now?
Prod.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Dec 31, 2009 - 10:09am PT
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Bump for you guys.
Let me know where & when to send my money!!!!
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Esparza
Trad climber
Westminster, CA
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Dec 31, 2009 - 04:54pm PT
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It is nice to see this community thread going like this. Kind of "grassroots" in a sense of supporting a local who is openly sharing costs and such. I think this is great. Cheers and happy new years...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 31, 2009 - 05:39pm PT
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How many prepay customers would it take to do a production run? I'd be willing to bet that we have at least 40 or so who would prepay right now?
Forging the heads will run upwards of $4k+ when requoted by Ajax. Total costs for 250 hammer is roughly $13-14k. How many prepays are required depends on how much risk Theron and I (primarily Theron with his labor) are willing to adopt. Again, I'll probably leave that prepay threshold call to Theron as his labor represents most of the risk.
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Gene
Social climber
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Dec 31, 2009 - 06:06pm PT
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I'm with Prod. Since this is a "community" activity that very few of us in the community at large are participating in, why not let us buyers remove some of the risk by pre-paying? The risk to buyers is nothing like the risk to Theron and the others involved with putting hard cash down to make this happen for us. I'd be happy to toss down the $$$ for an individual hammer rather than have one or two individuals take on the whole nut. And that would make it a community gig.
Thanks again to all involved.
gm
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 31, 2009 - 06:10pm PT
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what about Realist's offer above?
seemed reasonable...
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