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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Sep 14, 2009 - 06:29pm PT
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Religious fanatics and conspiracy whack-jobs. This thread has it all.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Sep 14, 2009 - 06:29pm PT
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Wally,
I'm assuming the math doesn't add up because you're not a structural engineer.
The American Society of Structural Engineers thought that their math added up and that the planes could have brought those buildings down.
But nevermind them, that's only their job and area of expertise.
An ex-BYU physics professor who keeps changing his story and a hooker-frequenting actor are really much better sources.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Sep 14, 2009 - 06:54pm PT
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The American Society of Structural Engineers thought that their math added up and that the planes could have brought those buildings down.
I'm no structural engineer, and definitely don't claim to know who, if anybody, conspired with whom in the attack on the Towers. But what I do know is that nobody, structural engineer or anybody else, designs buildings to withstand the heat generated by 150,000 pounds of burning kerosene pouring down the stairwells.
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Dick_Lugar
Trad climber
Indiana (the other Mideast)
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Sep 14, 2009 - 07:15pm PT
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^^^^^^
LOL!
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Doug Buchanan
Mountain climber
Fairbanks Alaska
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Sep 14, 2009 - 07:27pm PT
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Dingus....
Your questions are poorly considered. Wisely learn to ask more useful questions, and answer them before you ask the other guy who might provide the answers that illuminate your scant thinking.
Your qustions.....
So all I have to do is? My answer: Yes, if you do "is", you will be fine.
Vote Libertarian eh? My answer: Yes, if you wish, as an alternative to the Bush/Obama crowd.
And all our problems are solved??? My answer: No. Problems are solved by asking and answering questions to identify and resolve contradictions, not by voting for politicians who function on power and thus cause the problems.
I somehow sense a glitch. For example, let's assume I voted a straight libertatian ticket in 2000 - so what? What difference did it make? My answer: You will have usefully demonstrated to your own mind that you think more than the unquestioning DemocanRepublicrats. That alone is a good start for what you can then learn by thinking more.
Your comments...
If they can take down the Twin Towers without leaving a shred of credible evidence behind then they can take down the party of nothing, as well. My response: Who is "they"? You see as little of the obvious evidence as the rest of the unquestioning government chaps. "Taking down" (damaging) an organized party may be easy, but the process illuminates to more thinking people the necessity of abandoning "they" as rulers. Unthinking people never recognize the inherent consequences of their actions. "A party of nothing" indicates your inability to use words that hold their meanings, explaining how you confuse your mind.
I'm not convinced my voting libertarian would have saved the Towers... Mister Buchanan. My response: I am certain that it would not have. For what reason did you introduce such an unrelated comment?
My further response: When you encounter expressed comments, consider thinking enough to ask useful questions, or present related, useful concepts.
Or so I might imagine.
Doug
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Ray-J
Social climber
east L.A. vato...
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Sep 14, 2009 - 07:32pm PT
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Ho god its pitiful how far off klimmer and them is;
Everyone knows it was a UFO strike, we were invaded
you tards! Boy its sure sad how blind people are.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Sep 14, 2009 - 07:46pm PT
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Pedantic, masturbatory pratter.
There are no two entities within the federal government that could rise above the level of their incompetence to be able to orchestrate in secret at the level of resources required for such an event. And the NYC attack alone would have required the syncronized coordination of private, local, state, and federal resources on a frankly unimaginable scale. It didn't happen, because any such attempt at domestic secrecy on that scale would have collapsed faster than the towers.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 14, 2009 - 07:50pm PT
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"Your questions are poorly considered. Wisely learn to ask more useful questions, and answer them before you ask the other guy who might provide the answers that illuminate your scant thinking."
That's Buchanababble for "Dingus, yer an idiot, unlike me."
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Jingy
Social climber
Flatland, Ca
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Sep 14, 2009 - 08:18pm PT
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the only roadblock to progress is questions....
question everything!
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Sak
Mountain climber
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Sep 14, 2009 - 08:25pm PT
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Actually Ghost, the tower WAS designed to withstand a Boeing 707 direct hit. Condoleeza Rice was lying when she said she had no idea planes would be used as weapons. A common scenario well documented. Check out "Loose Change" where they interview designers of the trade center.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Sep 14, 2009 - 08:39pm PT
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Well Sak, the towers did withstand the impact of the planes. They did not collapse when they were hit, and stood for about an hour each afterwords.
Now designers in the 60's did not have the computational power to model what an intense office fire can do to a damaged steel structure. One of the designers has said that the ensuing fire ravaging a damaged building is what caused the collapse.
Did ya think Loose Change would mention this?
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S.Powers
Boulder climber
Joshua Tree, CA
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Sep 14, 2009 - 08:41pm PT
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Mustang
climber
From the wild, not the ranch
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Sep 14, 2009 - 09:20pm PT
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I still have to ask why there wasn't a forensic investigation into traces of explosives on the structural steel columns of the towers?
This would be a fundamental process of any murder investigation usually undertaken by the F.B.I.
9/11 was not entirely a matter of terrorism, but also mass murder, so where's the forensic investigation into such?
QUESTION AUTHORITY!!
It's a only small matter of keeping a democracy alive and well!!
We the sheeple of the United States.
BAAAAAAAAA, BAAAAAAAAA
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S.Powers
Boulder climber
Joshua Tree, CA
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Sep 14, 2009 - 09:37pm PT
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Jay Wood
Trad climber
Fairfax, CA
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Sep 14, 2009 - 09:57pm PT
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Klimmer-
I've appreciated your links and info on 9-11 questions.
But bible code? Seriously?
God wants us to understand 9-11???
'yer losin' me there dude.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Sep 14, 2009 - 10:45pm PT
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Building 7 was just burned, it had no impact.
Holy Cr*p, Rockjox, you must be kidding. Debris from a collapsing 100 story building smashed into it.
Steel frame buildings don't burn, they don't collapse in one piece.
Really Rockjox? What about all the stuff in a modern office building?
Building 7 did not collapse in one piece. The penthouse collapsed into the building at least 5 seconds before the final collapse. Funny how all the truther videos don't show this section of the collapse.
It was build over a power station, which means it had long spans down low.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Sep 14, 2009 - 10:50pm PT
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I'd just like to repeat this point, since none of ya'll seem to believe any conspiracy regarding the government is possible
"The conspiracy to invade Iraq based on lies and cooked information is WAY easier to prove, cost a lot more innocent lives, and there's TONs of evidence regarding it.
Still, folks look the other way and no investigation is really pending. Humans are sheep and we are in our pen. "
Let's investigate the low hanging fruit first. It was treason and there are high level officials and documents that could verify it. If we won't look at Iraq, we'll never look at 9-11.
and don't be fooled, the real 9-11 questions regard the flow of money and connections, not towers falling down. That could just be disinformation to make ya'll look foolish
Peace
Karl
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Sep 14, 2009 - 10:57pm PT
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Haha, there are pics showing huge gashes in the side facing the tower. One of the corners is missing for about 8 stories down low.
Didya expect every building hit by debris to collapse?
Architecture and location are very important.
The towers and wtc7 all had the same tube in tube design without concrete in the core above the first few stories. The replacing structures will all have concrete cores the entire height.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 14, 2009 - 11:41pm PT
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It's funny how the Bible coders and other 9-11 bogeymen chasers never cite this code, also found in Revelations:
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Sep 15, 2009 - 12:08am PT
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The psychology of these theories is understood well. Essentially, humans will see patterns where they want to, even though they don't exist. Self critical thought seems so rare.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory
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