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Slater
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Central Coast
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2009 - 05:01pm PT
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Billygoat, thanks. Feedback will help us improve. Sometimes we didn't do bolt counts because they were visible on the topo. But we did include bolt count for all of Owens. Or did I misunderstand?
The repeat of the Monolith topo was to include both a photo topo and a drawn topo. But you're right, we probably don't need both, and a new rock would be better. Which topo do you prefer? Drawn or photo? The drawn topo has the bolts, which is nice. But pics are also helpful. Most guides do both, but we just didn't have the space.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Let's get some at Nomad's in Joshua Tree;....it's full season, and they don't have any copies yet. Nomads is an awesome store;..they need this awesome guidebook. I'm always broke now that the stork dropped off all those babies at my house, but I can still scrape together the money for this book...(I briefly saw Blitzo's copy...)....If you are a climber, .....guidebooks like this are your ticket to many adventures; Bravo and thanks to the authors for all the leg work in putting this awesome guidebook together. As for any little problems or short-comings to this book;....the main question is;...is this book going to inspire, inform you , educate you, and get you on the rock?......THAT is the bottom line;....and you know what the answer to that question is already. I look forward to getting my copy .....for an armchair climber/diaper changer like myself,......this is the tits on the bull.......I might even go tick a few routes off this summer;....one never knows....
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Slater
Trad climber
Central Coast
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2009 - 12:43am PT
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B&N .com has been selling out, so I'm glad you got one. Did you get it a Barnes and Noble.com online? I heard they go for less than $40?
Maximuspress.com also has them with free shipping which is cool, but they're $49.95.
I'd love to hear where others are getting them from. It's finally starting to show up in more stores (REI etc.). I hope ya'll get one for Christmas... did they ever make it to Nomad?
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Jan 10, 2010 - 09:00pm PT
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Just ordered mine with gift cards from Barnes and Noble. Free shipping now and with tax less than 40 bucks.
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Slater
Trad climber
Central Coast
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 10, 2010 - 11:25pm PT
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Right on.
We'd love some feedback from anyone who has gotten it.
You work on something for 4 years and then let it go but are always curious if you hit the mark.
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Mungeclimber
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sorry, just posting out loud.
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Jan 11, 2010 - 02:36am PT
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got curious about bn.com...
"A new copy is not available from Barnes & Noble.com at this time."
better contact maximus
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Jan 11, 2010 - 08:59am PT
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I did not get that message mine is scheduled to ship today.
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Slater
Trad climber
Central Coast
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 11, 2010 - 10:56am PT
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B&N originally ordered 3, then sold out, then 8, then sold out, so they go quick. I wish all the stores sold out that quick.
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Jan 17, 2010 - 09:45am PT
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Damn Barns and Nobel just now sent me something to say it is delayed, If I did not have the gift cards I would get it elsewhere. Took forever to navigate their website to get an extension or they would cancel the order.
Morning rant
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Jan 17, 2010 - 10:22am PT
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Not to Nomads yet;..but I am pretty sure they ordered some;...and when they arrive, I know they will put one aside for me....until then;...I can look at one that Blitzo has.......I look forward to getting my copy .....cheers....
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Slater
Trad climber
Central Coast
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 17, 2010 - 05:30pm PT
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sorry Trophy, they keep selling out. I contacted the distributor and gave them an ear full, hopefully they'll keep them adequately stocked. At least you saved gas? :)
and it'll be worth the wait ha ha
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Feb 24, 2010 - 01:30pm PT
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I picked up this guide book a month or so back. First off, nice job! Definitely has some info on some places I've never been to that I will make an effort to check out.
As far as suggestions: I realize this is a quick guide to a lot of places and it is not a supertopo level of detail on one area. Nevertheless, I would appreciate more info on season, sun consideration, access, and route quality.
For instance, many areas get a spring, summer, fall type listing, but some do not and most do not list any sort of elevations.
For example, for Shuteye, I didn't see any season listing, elevation listing, or any idea when the road might melt out, which I assume snow/mud could be a bigger deal on a "high clearance" road.
For early/late season climbing, a few more "warm spot for sunny afternoons" would be nice.
I understand the complaint that climb ratings can lead to crowded climbs and discourage exploring, but using Shuteye again. I don't see it ever having a crowd. If I only ever make it down there once, or maybe twice, it would be nicer to check out the best routes the place has to offer. A star rating would really be appreciated or at least a short recommended list for each area.
I'm looking forward to Southern Guide!
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Slater
Trad climber
Central Coast
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2010 - 01:50pm PT
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Thanks for the feedback.
We won't ever do a star rating. Also, in the intro we explain that we carefully selected the best cliffs, so 90% of the routes are going to be good to excellent (the other 10% will probably be obvious ;) You won't climb anything bad at Shuteye. And "best" is an opinion.
Elevation for shuteye is stated on pg. 150 at 8,300'. That's as high as Tuolumne. Same situation with snow. The season says summer and fall (look before each specific cliff - it says Season). Of course ALL that depends upon snowfall. I can guess that this season will be a late start.
So Cal is in the works... SLO, SB, Ventura, Ridgecrest area, LA are finished.
Prolly another 2 years of work.
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Feb 24, 2010 - 05:34pm PT
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I had a hell of a time trying to get one from Barnes and Noble. I tried to buy mine with a gift card and it was caught in a strange loop. I could not cancel the order nor would they send it to me. I got 2 or 3 different stories from them and spent about 2 hours between 4 or 5 phone calls and 4 or 5 emails spread over a month or so. Plus emails to Tom who was very helpful. I hope they did fix the problem for this good book. I endend up buying it directly for Tom. Sent for it on Friday and got it on Tuesday after a three day weekend, very fast! I will buy another from him rather than a big store so he gets more for the book. I hope the problem at Barns and Noble was fixed but I will never buy from Barns and Noble again. I asked to to give me a gift card for my troubles but they said they could not.
I like the book it covers just enough of each area for a road trip, so you do not have to lug around a bunch of guides and downloaded topos. Most of the areas I have heard of before but it is nice to have them all in one book. It also nice to page through whenI am thinking about next summer and what crags to hit. Thanks for the hard work
One suggestion is to have a small crag or two listed for each area that is really off the radar so people feel like they are getting in on a secret. I know Hy 108, 4, 88, 395, and I am sure there are plenty of others that have only locally known rocks. Maybe some of these were left out on purpose.
Cheers Jeff
Was Benton crags left out for a reason?
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Slater
Trad climber
Central Coast
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2010 - 12:38am PT
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Ahhh Benton... the one that got away.
Gotta leave stuff for the 2nd edtion ;)
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Feb 25, 2010 - 06:09pm PT
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Ok, I admit I am going blind. Well, actually, I was just looking too much at the intro instead of studying each cliff.
I certainly understand that the guide is already operating as a "best of" approach and you can figure some things out from the ground or just taking a chance on a climb.
Outside of the Needles, I haven't really climbed anything south of Yosemite and north of J-tree. I plan on doing some exploring of this area, but being an even longer drive than the valley, say I only ever take one trip to Shuteye spending two days there (sticking with that example), which might mean that I only ever do 4 to 10 routes. Depending on the length of the climbs and just the time spent getting familiar with the area (I feel I've put in some dues bushwacking and scratching my head). I'm still a bit puzzled by the reluctance of many guide authors to point me more specifically to what is really the cream of the crop, especially when overcrowding isn't really an issue. Ah well, I understand the perogative of the guide author.
Just the info on how to get to a new area is huge. Definitely some new areas for me to track down in the South of Yosemite area and some places on the East Side that I've never explored either.
And of course a bump to the top for this guide book thread.
cheers
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Slater
Trad climber
Central Coast
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2010 - 10:41pm PT
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August, I totally get it. And I love stars. But I also HATE showing up at the Nutcracker and seeing a line, or whatever.
But I do promise that if you climb at Shuteye and are disappointed based on the cliffs we point you to, I'll buy you a beer :)
Have an adventure and rely on your own eyes. You can pick the cherries... you don't need me.
Tom
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nature
climber
back in Tuscon Aridzona....
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Nov 27, 2011 - 10:48am PT
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so from your description it appears you didn't include the stuff in the Humboldt/Trinity County/Del Norte?
jus' wondering
(I wrote a small guide for the climbs along the humboldt coast which Disaster Master and Eric C picked up and did a much better job with....)
Edit: hmm... it seems I missed this two year old post. where have I been? slicing fish or something dumb(er)?
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