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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 4, 2009 - 06:17pm PT
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"GC intentionally diverted the topic from the other thread to stir the interest up again."
If Mimi read the posts on the other thread, she would see that this is not true. Interest (and God forbid that there be any!) was already stirred up--that's why this thread was started. I don't think that it was appropriate in the other thread.
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Chaz
Trad climber
Boss Angeles
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That garbled nonsense in the news media is just that.
We may not know much, but one thing we know for sure; "bolts" and "clips" (I assume clips are biners) did not fail, as reported in the Local Tattler.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 4, 2009 - 06:26pm PT
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"It took nearly eleven months before the official report on the death of Todd Skinner was public, and only after the news media made an FOI request for it."
That's not a very good example, Mighty Hiker. ALL of the relevant details were released within 72 hours of the accident.
Todd's accident was on Oct. 23and this article was published Oct. 26. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/10/26/CLIMBER.TMP
His friends provide all the relevant details: His belay loop broke while he was rapelling. His harness was worn out. He'd ordered new harnesses but the accident happened before they arrived. What else was there to tell.
The lab report that came out months later only confirmed what we already knew.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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This accident we have been told that someone did something really simple and stupid but don't ask, Don't tell and don't even THINK about talking about it... STFU Nooob Vulture;)
Well that should about cover it untill the article comes out in R&I
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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You forgot "morbid" tradman.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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While Todd Skinner was climbing on a well-used harness, and Jim Hewitt had specifically
mentioned that it was looking pretty ratty, it should be noted that this was the first-ever
case of a belay-loop snapping on a climbing harness. It didn't even seem possible...
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 4, 2009 - 07:05pm PT
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I cannot change the thread title, but if I did I would make it the The Joshua Tree Accident Argument Thread.
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Nate Ricklin
climber
San Diego
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There's nothing morbid about being curious.
I want to know what happened.
Why all the secrecy?
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Nate Ricklin
climber
San Diego
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If it's already out, why not post it again here?
Whether it is or isn't anything profound isn't relevant.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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No disrespect intended, Locker - to you or anyone else.
RIP Woody!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
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BillL
Trad climber
NM
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Locker,
The current change in tone reminds me to ask: What does Regis Philbin have to do with all this?
Bill
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BillL
Trad climber
NM
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Hah! Thanks for that. Edit: I mean the Philbin Q/A.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 4, 2009 - 07:54pm PT
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I think Locker has made it clear that he would like the story to come out but that it's not his to tell. It's not fair that he has become the target for people's frustration.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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All I gotta say is that for a village idiot, locker sure has gained a lot of respect by me.
Let's all take a chill pill here.
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Largo: "When a thing is known by a few and a basic (not the speculative "why" of it all), these-are-the-facts breakdown is not responsibly disclosed in a reasonable time, a strange and persistent kind of pressure exerts itself. Like it or hate it, that force will eventually flush the truth out into the open."
Will to truth? That's just frickin hokum. Will to power, maybe. In any event, it sounds like you're talking about a bowel movement.
If you believe that the friends and family have been irresponsible and unreasonable, then step up to the plate. You say you know what happened: Go ahead and post, if that you believe that is in fact the responsible and reasonable thing to do.
At least half the posters here would be in favor. You wouldn't need to keep on increasing the pressure and try to put together some mumbo jumbo about how the deeper instincts of the universe are on your side.
Just frickin do it, if it is your genuine judgment that it's needed.
You're arguably the most high-profile poster here-- partly by virtue of what you've done as a climber, but also (and especially for the n00bs) for the books.
Had you chose to keep the flames down and the temps cooler, you --and the handful of others here who have some sort of moral authority --probably could've done it for several more weeks. You think that would've been a bad idea. Fine. I don't doubt that it's your genuine judgment. I don't share it, but then the world's full of little disappointments.
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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well, I tried to keep that hijack going Mimi, it was fun while it lasted...
More sugar!
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Mimi
climber
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I think I have a few bogus pignuts I could contribute to this conversation.
Locker crosspost edit: OMG! Woody is knott the source of said pignuts. Let me make this clear.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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hate to point it out again but 99.99% of the flames are fanned by lockers rants????? Dude. Give the caps lock a break. Without loker & Mimi this thread would have about 10 replys by now. fan the flames and the fire will burn...........
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chuey
climber
Ca.
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According to my speculative analysis from the info provided here on these threads it appears that the accident wasa failed tie in issue. He probably leaned back expecting tension and fell.
There you go wild speculation.
" I just had a thought;
perhaps in his honor we could incorporate the Woodster's name in our vernacular by referring to mutual double checking of tie-ins as a "Woody check". " P.R.
Sounds like a good idea.
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