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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jan 28, 2009 - 09:27pm PT
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At least climbers, like myself, buy gear and sh#t and do their own economic stimulation every weekend. That's what I'm talkin' about.
Park fees, food, gear, wood, gas, etc....all the while, paying taxes too!
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Porkchop_express
Trad climber
thats what she said...
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Jan 28, 2009 - 09:29pm PT
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The problem is not that there is a lack of sympathy on the side of conservatives and republicans- there are certain downsides that we are compelled to deal with, due in part to Bush's spending while he was in office.
The government can't really effectively create growth and jobs because all of its money comes from the people...who have less and less of it to go around. Cutting taxes and giving the private sector a chance to kick things back into gear is the only hope. The spending hemorrhage must stop. It may seem callous to cut spending in the short term but doing so will allow those adversely affected to know that their suffering need only be temporary.
Spreading the wealth is fast becoming oxymoronic as wealth becomes a thing of the past. What is there left to spread after the wealth is gone? Killing the goose to get the gold won't yield all the gold just a big mess, for those of you familiar with Aesop's fables.
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apogee
climber
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Bump for those who would like to discuss the Stimulus Package further, and whose ADHD doesn't allow them to focus enough to read the details of the Access Fund's OP.
Edit: Apologies for the snarky qualifier at the end of the above statement, if it doesn't apply to you.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Porkchop, you flunk both econ and history. The govt certainly can create jobs, and also depending on how you define it, growth.
No question it did during the Great Depression and WWII. And make no mistake, WWII was a govt action. Douglas Aviation did not declare war on Japan to increase demand for its planes.
Nor does the money have to come initially from the people. The govt has the capability to run deficits. Whether that's a good idea is a whole other question, but let's not pretend that lowering taxes is the only solution option.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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"Cutting taxes and giving the private sector a chance to kick things back into gear is the only hope. "
Yeah, the private sector has proved over and over that if you cut their taxes (which money they won't see for awhile) that they will create jobs instead of paying themselves more at the top, or financing new factories in Brazil.....
NOT.
Just look how the private sector did nothing intended with their bailout money.
I think Obama needs to build even greater accountability into the package but I heard him talking about training young unemployed and hiring them to weatherize houses. That creates jobs, saves energy, and stimulates the economy. Seems more likely to do something than giving the already rich more money to protect in their Cayman Island accounts.
Peace
Karl
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jahlgrim
Trad climber
Bakersfield, CA
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I thought it was 177 republicans and 11 dems?
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