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Karl Baba
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Yosemite, Ca
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Sep 29, 2008 - 10:25am PT
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"Only a fool can be appeased or placated by a VP candidate if the VP candidate make no real difference in the politics.
I really doubt McCain is going to consult palin on any issues if he get elected. Why should he? He only needs to start to lie to the GOP base right before the next election."
McCain won' t be consulting Palin cause he'll be dead and she'll be president. The guys has had the worst skin cancer and an insurance company would figure he has 2 to 4 statistical years to live. Palin is far, far more likely to be president than Biden during the next 4 years.
Palin would have been a genius choice (I'm sure Karl Rove concocted it) because she might bring along a lot of women, she inspires the Christian fundamentalist crowd, and youngs/pretty's up McCains geriatric ticket energy. Sadly, she's turning into a shipwreck.
If you look how McCain has campaigned, it's obvious how he would rule. Lies and distortions that that they knew to be untrue, and smoke, image and mirrors. We don't need more years of the Bush tactics of low denomination lies, power, and manipulation that bring the sheep along at the expense of the truth and the future.
Peace
Karl
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Sep 29, 2008 - 10:40am PT
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"Only a fool can be appeased or placated by a VP candidate if the VP candidate make no real difference in the politics. "
Who said that?
Ever hear of a guy called, DICK CHENEY?????
Your IF is critical. What follows your IF is an unknown, so your whole statement is just dumb.
And BTW Palin is very much like Cheney. Several articles have pointed this out, using examples of her method of governing and how she deals with people who disagree with her.
A better statement would be: "Only a fool votes for a candidate who brashly and inpetuously chooses a truly unqualified running mate.".
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Sep 29, 2008 - 11:01am PT
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Palin may well be intelligent, I don't really know.
But I DO know that her use of that intelligence is highly questionable.
Troopergate, Libraiangate, and a few other FACTUAL WELL KNOWN events in her political life, that CLEARLY show her willingness to abuse power, should make her a scary choice for ANYONE.
We don't need another Dick CHeney, PERIOD.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Sep 29, 2008 - 11:36am PT
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Again Lois, choosing a running mate who would be a disaster for the country shows a lack of judgement at best and a betrayal of the country at worst.
Literally, McCain betrays the country worse than any terrorist by lining up an incompetent, dangerous person to be leader of the nation. Think about it. There are some things that are immoral to do in order to be elected.
Now, I think it's more likely that he had Palin forced on him by poll taking Karl Rove types. The fact they never got to know her first is an indictment of how they would rule.
It's more than a popularity contest, even if the loist common denominator is pandered to. The fate of the world rests on how this country is led in the near future.
PEace
Karl
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the kid
Trad climber
fayetteville, wv
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Sep 29, 2008 - 11:45am PT
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i'm waiting for fattrads defense of Palin.
When vying for the second highest office in the land,
intelligence and experience are #1 requirements. Now i don't think Palin is stupid, i just think she is naive and has no depth of knowledge of the issues that effect this country right now..
If you can't understand the issues you can't lead..
sound bites strung together in an incoherent fashion does not cut it...
KS
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Sep 29, 2008 - 11:47am PT
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HAHAHA, well, all those people, including LOTS of republicans, who are having major issues and second thoughts about Palin DO matter, you stupid old cow.
(how's that for character assassination? am I doing OK there? you sure do deserve it, as you are the stupidest, most blind person on the whole internet about this McCain Palin thing)
YOU, the LEB, STILL don't care about what Palin has done that is reprehensible. Hell, did I say you don't care? I should have said you were IGNORANT, cause you probably haven't even bothered to find anything out about Palin other than what the McCain campaign tells you.
And it is still amusing to me that you care MORE about people calling you names ( which you have totally earned btw) than about yoru own inability to check the facts, or the excesses of Palin.
FOr ONE example, do you REALLY want this person who fired a librarian for not banning books that Palin wanted banned? DO you think THAT is a good way to run a government?
DO you know that there was such an outcry over librariangate that the woman was reinstated?
THAT is ONE SMALL EXAMPLE. There are many. BUt YOU don;t care, because you have a 'gut feeling'.
I hope you choke on it.
IT's IDIOTS like you who have been manipulated into voting twice for the WORST president in history, who had nearly ruined the whole country, and yet you want MORE of the same.
And you are upset cause we call you names for that, after exhaustsing all possible methods of reason ad logic and pointing out the facts, which you continue to blithely ignore.
A smug, ignorant, manipulated cow, willingly being led to slaughter-- that is the best description of anyone voting for McCain.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Sep 29, 2008 - 11:51am PT
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"If McCain wins, you all will get Palin whether you like her or not. Her presence on the ticket is a move calculated to increase McCain's chance of winning versus Obama. If it suceeds, she comes along as a package deal."
Yeah. We know. That's what we're scared off. McCain's the oldest man to run for President; he's refused to make his medical records available to the press and he nominates someone who, all apologies to Lois, while maybe not the definition of "stupid", certainly qualifies as "not very intelligent."
If Palin becomes President, she'll make Bush look like Albert Einstein, and look at the train wreck he was/is.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 29, 2008 - 12:12pm PT
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He should've picked Hucakbee.
I'm no Huckabee fan, but he would (1) get the base interested and (2) at least be reasonably articulate and not nearly as frightening. Jack Cafferty is right. Everyone should be scared by her nomination.
I predicted when he picked her this would hurt him politically. I believe this is true now more than ever.
This was a major "f*#k you" from John McCain to the American people.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 29, 2008 - 12:13pm PT
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"If Palin becomes President, she'll make Bush look like Albert Einstein, and look at the train wreck he was/is. "
I agree. We'd be pining for the days when W was President. How awful is that?
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Jaybro
Social climber
wuz real!
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Sep 29, 2008 - 12:26pm PT
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Why Did McCain throw the election?
Dirt-1's answer makes as much sense as any.
That gestalt was my first impression when she was named...
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 29, 2008 - 12:36pm PT
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Whatever Lois.
Like I said, I don't really care what you think about this. Learn something and then we'll talk.
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 29, 2008 - 12:52pm PT
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Lois, graniteclimber answered your question for me. He is absolutely correct. I don't care if my actions help Obama win. Until the GOP pulls their head out of their arse and starts to nominate more conservative candidates, they'll just have to deal with the consequences.
By the way, I am KNOTT GOP. Haven't been since 1990.
HDDJ, when did I ever complain about the Electoral College? I want to keep it, even though it screws me here in the People's Republik of Kalifornia.
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UncleDoug
Social climber
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Sep 29, 2008 - 01:31pm PT
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Uh, hu hu.
She said a%#essment.
LEB - you are just getting a heaping spoon full back at ya.
Quite a few people perceive you as just posting to this site to make your self seem superior to others, in your own eyes.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Redlands
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Sep 29, 2008 - 01:43pm PT
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Sep 29, 2008 - 01:45pm PT
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"As I said on another thread, I have solid information that Bush actually creates hurricanes and causes tsunami's to happen."
That's just stupid. Despite what you've claimed about your 4.0 average, whatever brainpower you employed at school doesn't translate to everyday life, let alone politics.
It's frustrating to attempt to engage in dialogue with the right since, when you present them with FACTS demonstrating the problems with their party, they either change the topic or respond with a bunch of blather. That's not dialogue. It's just stupid.
If you have nothing substantive to say about the issues, why not do one of two things: 1) either admit the other side has a point; or 2) keep your pointless thoughts to yourself.
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 29, 2008 - 01:59pm PT
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Lois, McCain was rated the 47th most conservative Senator in 2006 by the ACU. His average since 1998 is only 74. Not conservative by any means. The only Republicans more liberal are Specter, Snowe, and Collins.
Specifically, a few examples. He voted for a rule change that would increase the votes required to cut taxes to 60. He supported giving illegals social security credits for years worked before legally obtaining a number. He also voted for what basically amounted to an amnesty program for illegals. He voted against a same-sex marriage ban. Voted against a border fence. Etc..etc...
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/01/mccains_acu_ratings.html
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fowweezer
Trad climber
Pleasant Grove, UT
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Sep 29, 2008 - 02:17pm PT
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Jody here just recited some of the many reasons that I, as an "old-school" conservative, liked McCain. Until recently.
Your interpretation of conservatism, Jody, is a bastardization of what I always knew it to be, and it makes me angry.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Sep 29, 2008 - 02:19pm PT
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Stockdale was a pretty scary choice by Perot but Palin is a real competitor.
Peace
Karl
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 29, 2008 - 02:23pm PT
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fowweezer, don't be angry, find your happy place. :)
Karl, "Who am I, and why am I here?"
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 29, 2008 - 02:28pm PT
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I bet Palin knows how many states there are, unlike Obama.
When Obama mentioned "57 states", he was probably referring to the 57 member states of the Organization of the Islamic Conference.
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