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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 11, 2008 - 06:19pm PT
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OK, one more time.
Shotgun= artillery
Deployed from a FIXED position into a known field of fire.
If one has gathered all family/friendlies into a secure place the shotgun is deployed between them and the threat.
If however one has to move room to room, even if your shotgun has a SureFire light, a long gun is more vulnerable to enemy seizure and requires a third hand to open a door effectively.
A handgun with a squeeze activated light is the way to go if you MUST transit rooms to investigate/protect.
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up2top
Big Wall climber
Phoenix, AZ
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Sep 11, 2008 - 06:36pm PT
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Fat Dad -- "what exactly do you need to protect your homestead from?"
Seriously? You live in LA and are posing that question? Look, decide what you want to do for your own safety -- I have no issue with people who don't desire to own firearms -- but don't act like there aren't credible, potential threats to you and your family out there roaming every neighborhood in your area.
There's a home invasion nearly every day that makes the news around here. And it's not some clumsy "cat burglar" looking to just sneak in and steal your stuff. More and more they are well armed gang bangers who don't give a feck about your life nor theirs and would easily squeeze the trigger on their AKs if they found someone home during their crime -- or they may pull the trigger just for giggles knowing you were home all along.
You can call 911 if you want. I'll dial 911 to come clean up the mess after the shooting is done.
Ed
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FeelioBabar
climber
Sneaking up behind you...
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Sep 11, 2008 - 06:50pm PT
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home "defender" of choice is a Model 94 Winchester..Lever action 30/30. Handy as hell size for indoors, and with the new improvements to 30/30 ammo...a damn fine, and in my opinion, "classic, weapon.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 11, 2008 - 07:39pm PT
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.30-30 is a poor choice.
The cartridge is too long resulting in a low capacity in the tube magazine.
Much better off with a fatter shorter cartridge, say .44 or .45
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Sep 11, 2008 - 07:52pm PT
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up2top,
While you might feel the need to have a firearm in your home, most people don't. I'm not sure what your view of LA is, but it's not all Boyz in the Hood. In fact, that's a real small, misrepresentative portion of the population.
Thanks for your concern for my safety, but I feel a lot safer at home without a gun. Gun violence statistics support that belief. And remember, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're out to get you.
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marky
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 11, 2008 - 08:04pm PT
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You guys -- gun nuts, fascists, others -- have responded superbly to my query. I appreciate the thoughtful responses. My gun purchase is imminent. The safety of my stead follows immediately and obviously.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 11, 2008 - 08:08pm PT
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Make sure you put the right string on that cork.
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Sep 11, 2008 - 08:09pm PT
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Guns aren't violent, some people are violent and some of them use guns.
I feel much safer knowing my kids have a healthy appreciation for what a gun can do, how to handle one safely, and not to touch one w/o an adult around.
I feel safer still living someplace where my wife can leave her purse and keys in her unlocked car in the driveway. And I'd feel better still if she didn't do so ;)
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 11, 2008 - 08:17pm PT
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This gun thread sucks.
Poorly opened and erratically followed, will somebody please start a better one.
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up2top
Big Wall climber
Phoenix, AZ
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Sep 11, 2008 - 08:25pm PT
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I love it when people cite "gun violence" statistics as rationale for desiring to be in a "gun-free" area. Funny thing is, the bad guys never really seem to give a damn whether you do or don't like guns, or if by law they aren't permitted in certain areas.
I'm guessing, on the other hand, you have no problem have easy access to knives and no problem with people who carry and own knives despite the "knife violence" statistics. And, of course, no problem with claw hammers despite a very recent graphic case of "claw hammer violence":
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iHwb9A3hIA8W5GpXlTFL_zj8hqdAD933UJ2G0
So, who is responsible for the safety of you and/or your family? If it's you, how do you make plans for keeping them safe? A firearm isn't always a solution to the problem, but it's a handy tool to have. In fact, I'll go so far as to admit that a gun is rarely the solution to a problem, but when you need one...MAN -- you really need one.
Ed
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marky
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 11, 2008 - 08:28pm PT
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PR: I take umbrage at the "poorly opened" crack.
GFY.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Sep 11, 2008 - 11:43pm PT
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Do you want to evoke the old west or protect your 'stead?
I suggest you decide which is more important to you.
If there was a perfect firearm EVERYONE would have one.
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jbar
Mountain climber
The Dirty South
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Sep 12, 2008 - 01:54am PT
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I hate trophy hunting. The only thing I advocate hunting is paper or people. A carbine is not a very good choice for home defense unless you plan on bagging your target outside of your home. If your heart is set on a carbine and you want something genuinely western you definitely have to go with the previously suggest 45/70. Marlin makes a good guide version but there are others.
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jbar
Mountain climber
The Dirty South
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Sep 12, 2008 - 02:02am PT
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Marky, just reading through now I see you're asking a serious question. Heres the straight poop. Many people will suggest many weapons. The real question is are you prepared to take a life in defense of your home. The choice of weapon really relies on what you can actually hit the target with and remember it will be under stressful circumstances. It's much better to put a 380 hollow point into your target than fire a 44 magnum over it's head. Besides you might hit your t.v. Go to a shop. Put as many makes and models in your hand and see how effective you are down range. Buy the one you like the best.
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KuntryKlimber
Mountain climber
Rock Hill, SC
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Sep 12, 2008 - 09:40am PT
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I use a benelli super black eagle for bird hunting (i only hunt for food) and home protection. if you don't want to kill an intruder, they make tons of less than lethal shotgun ammunition including rubber balls, beanbags, and pepper spray. They also have many ultra lethal rounds, like fletchetes (tiny steel arrows) and Rhodesian jungle load (a cocktail of death). If you kill someone in your front yard, it's imperative that you drag them inside before calling the police.
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jbar
Mountain climber
The Dirty South
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Sep 13, 2008 - 08:23pm PT
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If there is an investigation of any sort, and it isn't done by LA county, you will have a hard time getting away with moving a body. It is also imperative that the angle of entry match the the alleged origin point and any blood stain patterns. It is almost impossible to make any of this happen if there is a blood splatter analysis.
Just put him in your trunk and drive him out to joshua tree.
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Dwain
Trad climber
Apple Valley, California
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Sep 14, 2008 - 03:12pm PT
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"Be DAMN certain who you shoot and WHEN."
In the days of the Wild West, there was a young cowboy who wanted more
than anything to be the greatest gunfighter in the world. He practiced
every minute of his spare time, but he knew that he wasn't yet
first-rate and that there must be something he was doing wrong.
Sitting in a saloon one Saturday night, he recognized an elderly man
standing at the bar who -- in his day -- had the reputation of being the
fastest gun in the West. The young cowboy took a place next to the
old-timer, bought him a drink and told him the story of his great
ambition. 'Do you think you could give me some tips?' he asked.
The old man looked him up and down and said, 'Well, for one thing,
you're wearing your gun too high. Tie the holster a little lower down on
your leg.'
'Will that make me a better gunfighter?' asked the young man.
'Sure will,' replied the old-timer.
The young man did as he was told, stood up, whipped out his 44 and shot
the bowtie off the piano player.
'That's terrific!' said the young cowboy. 'Got any more tips for me?'
'Yep,' said the old man. 'Cut a notch out of your holster where the
hammer hits it. That'll give you a smoother draw.'
'Will that make me a better gunfighter?' asked the younger man.
'You bet it will,' said the old-timer.
The young man took out his knife, cut the notch, stood up, drew his gun
in ablur, then shot a cuff link off the piano player.
'Wow!' exclaimed the cowboy. 'I'm learnin' somethin' here. Got any more
tips?'
The old man pointed to a large can in a corner of the saloon. 'See that
axle grease over there? Coat your gun with it.' The young man went over
to the can and smeared some of the grease on the barrel of his gun.
'No,' said the old-timer, 'I mean smear it all over the gun,handle and
all.'
'Will that make me a better gunfighter?' asked the young man.
'No,' said the old-timer, 'but when Wyatt Earp gets done playing the
piano, he's gonna shove that gun up your a*#, and it won't hurt as much
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Dec 23, 2011 - 01:32am PT
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it's always a good day when I didn't have to use my AK
gotta go with a glock
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