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WBraun
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OK Hahahaha
Next?
We will grow carrots, 6 carrots in a plot, and 6 carrots in another plot.
In one plot wes and dirt (hee hee hee) will sh'it from their own ass into the plot. In the other plot we will put Bullsh'it from cow.
Guess which carrots will taste better?
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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I really hate to disillusion you Werner, but I have grown vegetables with cow manure, chicken manure, horse manure and elephant manure, and BY FAR the best is elephant. Elephant manure does not even smell bad, it self composts right away, and you can even use it right out of the elephant if you are in a hurry
The only problem with that is, once the city realized how good elephant manure is, they stopped giving it to the public free for the taking.
The other problem is, I can't convince anyone that we need a pet elephant herd to keep the garden going. Actually, one would do nicely, but they are social so to keep em happy we'd need at least two or three, and a big fence, and a path for em to roam around the property. Plus, 6 acres is way too small I think.
Not to mention that the cat would feel slighted.
BUT anyway, the moral is, don't try to tell an organic gardener which sh!t is better. We DO know sh!t from Shinola.
Now I can't wait for LEB to chime in asking about where she can get some pet elephants. She's actually got the space for em, and I bet they'd be a lot more fun that guinea hens.
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clustiere
Trad climber
Rock Ridge/ Oakland CA
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interesting isn't it that we all have our own personal realities.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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HOLY COW!
Carrots taste better with bullsh#t?
And all this time I've been using
Horsesh#t.
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WBraun
climber
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Ah c'mon wes have some carrots ......
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Anastasia
Trad climber
California
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Religion is...
So is television giving you their version of what is important.
The fact that we are buying it is... "funny."
AF
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WBraun
climber
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Just see
TGT said "HOLY COW"
Now has anyone ever heard anyone say Holy Dog? or Holy Horse?
Of course not. Thus I have proved that cow sh'it is pure and God exists.
Now that wasn't to hard? Ya all better behave now ......
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Phantom X
Trad climber
Honeycomb Hideout
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Thank-you Brunosafari for your eloquence. I think any carrot farmer will tell you that manure will cause too much top growth and forking of roots.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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I hesitate to write about this stuff because I don't like it when politics or religion separate me from folks who I otherwise enjoy and appreciate, but I want to share this thing I wrote awhile back to facilitate a different point of view.:
What is God?
Folks tend to try to understand God in terms they can understand. Many tend to visualize God as very human and somewhat like a stern boss or strict father figure. But it's obvious that any being that created a universe that takes light millions of years to traverse, and manifested the vast complexity of even this world, that being is not an easy target for human comprehension.
God created everything out of his own being. If there were some separate material for God to use to make all this, it would be a type of God itself. The book of John says God created the world out of the "word." Our words are vibrating energy structured by information that originate out of ourselves. Not a bad explanation to a primitive people thousands of years ago.
But even though God is vast, transcendent, and beyond all comprehension, God is also intimate and immediate, closer than the closest. Everyone says God is in heaven. Where is that? Jesus said the kingdom of heaven is within.
God is Spirit which has as its nature consciousness. Would you expect God to be without consciousness? We read that we are created in God's image. Our essential nature is then Spirit which has as its nature consciousness. What's the last thing of yourself that you would ever sacrifice? Your awareness, of course. That's how we have an intimate link with the being that encompasses countless beings, of which there are 6 billion of just humans on this tiny world alone. A spark of the divine is within each of us as our soul and thus, we are keeping track of our own sins and writing our own story in the book of life. Judge not, lest you be judged.
You can think of this world as the dream of God. The reason for it is not comprehensible in rational human awareness. The purpose of our existence in this world is not our pleasure and luxury. The experiences we have in life, bad and good, have the effect of refining and evolving our Spirit. If you look at the course of your own life with openness and clarity, you might see an abstract sort of perfection in it. Everything that ever happened to you has brought you to where you are right now. What you are right now is reflected all around you as your life. Change within and your world will change.
Jesus may have been a pure expression of that divine being, but don't get hung up on one historical figure being the sole expression of divinity. Jesus was talking about his highest nature when he said he was the only way. You can't live without water, but Agua, H2O, and Pani are the same thing, and in a pinch, you can still get along with orange juice, or even cola or malt liquor.
So "what you believe" is a lot less important than "what is in your heart." My feeling is that God doesn't know what religion you are. God sees directly to the heart where that totality of what you are is revealed.
I know this kind of philosophy runs counter to what many folks believe. Believing we have the only way builds religions and makes us feel superior. I respect your path whatever you think, and I'm always open to deepening my understanding, so don't worry about me. If the highest power will grace me with greater understanding, I'm always listening. "Seek and you will find" Just be open to the fact that what you find might not be what you expected.
Peace
karl
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Pretty, sweet smelling bullsh!t is still sh#t.
Seek and you shall find, hmmm. Might as well be, assume beyond all doubt that something you want to be there is there, look for it, and you will find it, even if it really isn't there.
You want the truth? You can't handle the truth.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Thanks, Karl, for that. I have similar beliefs, except that through my experiences I've come to a place where I don't see "God" as an entity or being any more. To me, God IS "being," meaning....and this, quite frankly, sucks....that we're all God. That all is God.
It sucks, because it puts my responsibility for my life, as I know it, squarely in my own lap. The bad news is that nobody's gonna save me. Of course, since every one, and every thing, else also has the same "power"....we can work as a team and get awesome results! That's the good news.
The bad news about THAT is that I have to trust others and allow them in. The good news, about THAT, is that when I do, miracles occur. And that, can be frightening, because it's pretty powerful. Trusting and believing in that power...especially in times of trouble...really sucks, because....it all comes back to me. Playing God, and playing for keeps. hahahah.
But - what does it matter what I think, except to me. It doesn't matter what ANYONE else thinks, either. Except to them.
The brilliance of what is "God," is that it works, for each and every one of us. Whether we believe in a deity, a way of living, or believe there is no God and we are on our own.
I even heard a guy explaining a basic tenet of Satanism to a girl the other day(in a Starbuck, where I was waiting for the guy I was buying my camera from). Knoing very little about the devil"(except an experience I had once while stone, which is another story altogether), I eavesdropped as i waited. It seemed this guys idea was about enjoying ALL there is to life, basically. He was using the Garden of Eden story as an example....
I got the feeling it was a first meeting, maybe from an internet dating site.... She was giving those "Ahhhh, I see. How interesting!" comments, to show she was paying attention. But I got the feeling that he maybe should have picked a less intriguing topic for a first date.
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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I think George was right on.
What are the chances that any of the Christians here would in fact be Christians if you were born in the middle of Saudi Arabia or just about any other Muslim country? I'd venture a guess of maybe 1%. Of course, the chances would then be very high that you would feel just as strongly about Islam. I'm sorry, it's far too arbitrary for my sensibilities. I grew up Catholic but have basically been an agnostic since my late teens. More recently, I have "come out of the closet" and embraced atheism. It's been a big relief. But I DO have a hard time refraining from pointing out how stupid most religious beliefs are.
A couple of years ago my then 9-year-old daughter told me, "I don't believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny, but I'm still not sure about God". I'll let her figure that out on her own, but I feel like I will be doing mankind a favor by not indoctrinating her with the beliefs of my parents' religion. I would have to think that the percentage of religious people on the planet would absolutely plummet if parents did not indoctrinate children before they can think for themselves.
The Old Testament is a collecton of creation myth stories of a small, camel-herding Bronze Age people. That somehow these stories became the sacred texts of the three "great" monotheistic religions is mind-boggling to me.
My apologies to Brunosafari, Mooser, and others, who I hold in very high esteem.
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WBraun
climber
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The trad rock climbing ethics in the USA is a small collection of myths made by some dirtbag lowlifes and I'm surprised that people subscribe to those myths and made the rules.
Fuk em, I'm going to place bolts for safety on all tad routes.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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So Werner, without a religion to prop you up, you don't feel any need for ethics?
That summarizes the whole problem nicely, doesn't it?
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Maysho
climber
Truckee, CA
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Say nothing of my religion. It is known to God and myself alone. Its evidence before the world is to be sought in my life: if it has been honest and dutiful to society the religion which has regulated it cannot be a bad one.
Thomas Jefferson (1743 - 1826)
When I do good, I feel good; when I do bad, I feel bad, and that is my religion.
Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865), (attributed)
My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.
Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)
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TYeary
Mountain climber
Calif.
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John Lennon once said "the more pain you have , the more God you need." I'm inclined to belive this. And what Khanom said.
Tony
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Other quotes by Einstein.
"I don't try to imagine a personal god; it suffices to stand in awe at the structure of the world, insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it."
"The idea of a personal god is quite alien to me and seems even naive."
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie that is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal god, and I have never denied this, but expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious, then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science cn reveal it."
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WBraun
climber
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Just see,
They all take quotes from some great or common man and use them as arguments to confirm their own mental speculations.
But when the Supreme Lord gives quotes or instructs they all run away in disbelief. But a mundane ordinary person is considered authority.
With these defects, a conditioned human being cannot possibly present perfect knowledge nor ever understand them.
Therefore they are reduced to wrangling.
Big big philosophers refuting theories of others, and setting up their own conclusions as supreme. There is no end to this process, nor is there perfection.
If one is to be a great philosopher, he has to defy all his predecessors. Scientists also work in the same way. If we try to find out whose statement is true, we have a great deal of difficulty.
Perfect knowledge can only come from the perfect source, the reservoir of knowledge, God himself. Such knowledge is imparted by the Supreme and comes down by the parampara process, the line of disciplic succession, from one realized soul to another.
This does not mean, however that the human mind is reduced to that of a robot. The mind is useful for acceptance and rejection, and ones intelligence is measured by his power of discrimination.
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WBraun
climber
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Vedas
Srimad-Bhagavatam, Bhagavad-gita, and Caitanya-Caritamrta
Khanom my last post above was not personally directed at you or anyone in particular.
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WBraun
climber
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Just because you believe such texts doesn't mean others have to. Why should we?
Find out for yourself, or reject. I had to do it. it's not a cheap thing.
To make the argument whether God exists as a person or impersonal or not is beyond the scope of an internet discussion forum.
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