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TradIsGood
Half fast climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 18, 2007 - 10:38pm PT
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Tarbuster, you seem to be pretty much dead on.
Check out the book. Lots better insight than I seem to be able to communicate.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 18, 2007 - 10:43pm PT
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Tradcragrat qualified psychologists? Hahahaha
What do you need them for? Look around you and see for yourself.
Stop eating meat and see for yourself.
Raise your consciousness and see for your self.
Some guy with a clip board with a rubber stamped certificate can't do it for you.
You do it.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Oct 18, 2007 - 11:51pm PT
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... and the driver, lips parched, face drawn, eyes sinking,
His head now slowly nodding into the shrill horn...
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Oct 18, 2007 - 11:52pm PT
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Thanks for the response TIG.
I'll give it a whirl.
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tradcragrat
Trad climber
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Oct 19, 2007 - 09:51pm PT
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Werner:
Did you even read my earlier post? First of all I'm a vegetarian, and second of all, I wasn't implying that psychologists should determine our morality. I was just proposing that a study be done about the effects of the meat industry.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Oct 19, 2007 - 10:46pm PT
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' What would happen if' Tradisgoosh laid out a troll, I mean started a thread, that wasn't a passive agressive finger wagging at people considering acting in a way other than the status quo?
1) he would fall over making a sound to deafen the trees.
2) Make the sound of one hand clapping.
3) other.
'Luv ya man, don't ever change'!
If I get time I'll check out the book,
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 19, 2007 - 10:52pm PT
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Tradcragrat
Sorry, I'm an idiot.
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scuffy b
climber
The deck above the 5
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Oct 19, 2007 - 11:11pm PT
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Frickin Class warfare, is what we're talking about.
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TradIsGood
Half fast climber
the Gunks end of the country
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 20, 2007 - 12:23am PT
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Jaybro,
I got the book for $19.00. If you read it, and don't think it was worth it, send me your copy. I am not sure whether you are just trolling me, but...
I'll send you $19.00 and I'll give your copy to somebody else.
You don't need to be a math geek or Ph. D. candidate to get something from this book, IMO.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Oct 20, 2007 - 12:51am PT
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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Oct 20, 2007 - 06:34pm PT
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Trad, mild teasing, but not trolling (at least not in any serious way) I'm looking in to the book on you reccomendation, I'd never insist that you pay for a book we disagreed about, none the less, I'm checking the library first.
Back to the original question, I think it would work out, by and large. IF it was agreed upon, for the whole world, that veganism was the only way, and IF the whole world complied,(imagine EITHER of those happening, planet-wide!) it would still take longer for people to change their habits, than it would take for the commercial cow population to die out. Remember, that most cows are artificially insmenated, and that very few cows can give birth with out an elbow deep helping hand from a local cowboy/farmer. Yes, there would be an initial, excess, biomass problem; fertilizer?
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pro_alien
Sport climber
Zurich, Switzerland
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Oct 21, 2007 - 08:54am PT
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Some thoughts from a former vegetarian:
Yes, animal protein is an inefficient way to convert sunlight to food. But, since humans haven't evolved yet to digest grass, cows / sheep / etc. are a good way to utilize marginal land that is not suitable for growing food, such as grassy mountainsides. If we want to maximize the number of people this planet can feed, the answer will be a mostly vegetarian (not vegan) diet with some dairy, and a little meat. The point is to feed grains to people, not to cows.
As much as I dislike the idea of "biofuels" in their current form (mostly derived from food rather than from organic waste materials), they have the nice side effect of pushing up grain prices.
 This will support third world farmers that were pushed aside by subsidized exports from industrialized agriculture.
This will make meat more expensive, making grains less attractive as animal feed.
The wonders of economics.
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