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Chaz
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So. Cal.
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Jun 12, 2007 - 08:09pm PT
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There isn't going to be a draft.
How do I know? Because the people pushing for a draft right now aren't doing so to make a better, tougher, stronger, more effective Military. They're for a draft because they see it as a way to make a domestic political point, which is not why we have a Military.
Remember, you heard it here first.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 12, 2007 - 08:43pm PT
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so most go with no draft, aint gonna happen. i hope not.
OTOH, we are gonna continue to flounder in iraq until the next president has to get us out of that mess.
jstan, our attention span is severely limited....
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jstan
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Jun 12, 2007 - 08:51pm PT
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If our attention span is limited, then we all may expect to pay a very high price. One none of us can afford. There will be regrets - aplenty.
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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Jun 14, 2007 - 03:26pm PT
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crowley you are such an ass!
why do you make this sh#t up?
do you think you are smarter than rush?
clinton did it too!
we never could have guessed they'd attack the WTC w/ airplanes!
the world changed on 9/11!
we are fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here!
gore uses electricity to run the lights in his house!
BJ! BJ!
we are not the world's police force!
BJ! BJ!
we are not in the business of nation building!
BJ! BJ!
he lied! he lied under oath! impeach!
orange alert!
she wasn't covert!
the prosecutor was overzealous, there was no underlying crime!
i don't have any recollection senator-
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/14/AR2007061400809.html?nav=rss_nation
i cannot recall that-
i have searched my memory on that subject and i simply cannit remember anything about that-
we have always been at war w/ eurasia...
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John Moosie
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Jun 14, 2007 - 03:32pm PT
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hahahahahaha...Major laughing fit Matt. :-)
That Clinton sure did suck. Or at least Monica did. Good thing we impeached him and not Bush.
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wootles
climber
Gamma Quadrant
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Jun 14, 2007 - 04:19pm PT
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our attention span is severely limited
Hey, I'm too busy working to buy my Lincoln Navigator and my HD TV.
What's Paris Hilton up to?
and my kid needs a Play Station..
wife wants a Lexus...
Boy I really wish Congress would sort out the baseball doping stuff...
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Jun 14, 2007 - 05:04pm PT
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"How do I know? Because the people pushing for a draft right now aren't doing so to make a better, tougher, stronger, more effective Military. They're for a draft because they see it as a way to make a domestic political point, which is not why we have a Military.
Remember, you heard it here first. "
um.......duh. You really think support for this war would have continued for as long as it did if the armed forces were anything close demographically to the rest of the country?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 14, 2007 - 05:13pm PT
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Yeah,
They are healthier
smarter
and better educated than
the average American couch potato.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 14, 2007 - 05:22pm PT
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"um.......duh. You really think support for this war would have continued for as long as it did if the armed forces were anything close demographically to the rest of the country? "
if i read you correctly, you are saying that the military are lower in smarts and everthing than the rest of the country? i hope you are not saying that.
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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Jun 14, 2007 - 05:26pm PT
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TGT w/ his constant rah-rah hoo-ya go army chime in, thanks pal, but they are not all on your side and we are all on their side
a little discussed but widely known fact is that the US armed forces act as an engine and opportunity for those w/ few other positive options. another side effect of the misuse of the military and the reserves/ national guard is that this category of recruit will become highly reluctant, in the vein of mohammad ali (paraphrased- 'the black man has no fight w/ the yellow man')
edit- hawkeye, the way i understood that point was that there are many people of fewer than average means who enter the military. that is not to say that they are people of lower intellect or potential.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 14, 2007 - 05:34pm PT
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alright, i can see the lite now...
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Matt
Trad climber
State of Mind
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Jun 14, 2007 - 05:40pm PT
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thaaaaank gaaaawd aaaawlmighty
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Jun 14, 2007 - 05:50pm PT
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Hawkeye & TGT:
No you boneheads because the impact of this war is felt by Americans more at their gas pumps than in their personal lives. It's a lot easier to support OTHER people's kids going to war. The demographics of the military are greatly skewed toward the economically, educationally and politically disadvantaged. A draft with no exceptions would pull more evenly from our society and give everyone a more equal personal and emotional investment in the decisions we make with our armed forces. That is why the people that Chaz pointed out were supporting the draft support the draft.
Except for Fatty of course. He thinks we should start a draft because 2 countries in 5 years is a gross underachievement compared to what we Americans are capable of.
P.s.- hawkeye if I read you correctly you seem to think that it is the people serving in the armed forces that decide when and how we go to war, but it isn't. They are at the service of our civilian government which in turn is at the service of the electorate.
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wootles
climber
Gamma Quadrant
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Jun 14, 2007 - 05:52pm PT
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I like so totally need another ipod.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 14, 2007 - 06:02pm PT
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Poor?
Our review of Pentagon enlistee data shows that the only group that is lowering its participation in the military is the poor. The percentage of recruits from the poorest American neighborhoods (with one-fifth of the U.S. population) declined from 18 percent in 1999 to 14.6 percent in 2003, 14.1 percent in 2004, and 13.7 percent in 2005.................
With the addition of data for the 2004 and 2005 recruits, the quintile trends noted in the previous report are even more striking. (See Table 1.) From 2003 to 2005, the representation of the highest-income quintile rose 0.68 percentage point, from 22.17 percent to 22.85 percent. As conflict in Iraq continues, youth from wealthy areas continue to volunteer for duty despite increased risk. Additionally, over the course of these three recruit years, representation from the poorest quintile has decreased dramatically. The representation among recruits of the lowest-income quintile fell nearly a full percentage point, from 14.61 percent in 2003 to 13.66 percent in 2005.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/cda06-09.cfm
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Matt
Trad climber
State of Mind
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Jun 14, 2007 - 06:18pm PT
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heritage foundation?
not as if they have an agenda.
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wootles
climber
Gamma Quadrant
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Jun 14, 2007 - 06:36pm PT
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The percentage may have fallen but did the actual number fall? Was the drop in % attributable to the increase in other enlistments?
Terrible business over there in that Irakannistan, real shame. Now where's my remote? I have American Idol on Tevo.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 14, 2007 - 07:52pm PT
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no sh&& hddj! i just thought the army flew over there to kick some ass and uncle GW thought it was a cool idear.
thanks for setting me straight.
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