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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Jan 29, 2019 - 07:45pm PT
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You guys all rock... best of luck Brandon.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jan 30, 2019 - 06:55am PT
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hey there say, brandon... i had recently sent a letter and a card...
-->not sure if they will forward them to you...
i also talked to aaron and bit, too...
and, was up to date on this-- but was sure hoping it was
just 'thoughts' and that you would REALLY decide to stay...
i just hope and pray that 'things don't go downward' ...
yeah, me, i am like a 'mom' i worry about these things...
also, john m... you did a very good service for everyone here, too...
and, aaron, thank you...
and, johntp and happiegrrrl...
you both chipped in good advises, too...
now, brandon... please, do not give up...
this was 'your chance of a lifetime' meaning, as to a FIRST GO...
THERE of course, can be other chances, if you slip, but:
this was the one that could have (or still might?) built/build
as STRONG FOUNDATION...
you will need that... best wishes and prayers for you and your future...
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2019 - 07:38am PT
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People get sober in any number of ways. NYC AA showed me that. Going to meetings around the country as I've traveled, I thank the Universe I had the Upper West Side of Manhattan for my pickings.
As for Aaron putting his sobriety at risk; that is completely on him and NO ONE else. I won't sugarcoat that. It's similar in climbing. If we don't trust our belayer, and either ovary up and commit to the fact we're free soloing, or walk away, and we fall and die, all the climbers are gonna say on Supertopo is the dead one is responsible. Old School. Don't let Aaron's rants *about* distract you. He chose to tie in with this partner.
Brandon,this is it now. You are on the multipitch lead of your life. As they used to, and probably still do, say at my Completely Sober group in Chelsea, "This is not the Dress Rehearsal."
Rooting for you with every sober cell in my being.
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 30, 2019 - 09:05am PT
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Brandon needs to fill in people online as why he left as many donated their hard earned money to help him.
Now he's not being forthcoming and is RED FLAG.
I donated to make sure Aaron is not holding the bag ultimately.
Brandon is an addict and can't be trusted.
Brandon, you should come clean, but I doubt very much you will as the red flags you've shown are flying full mast .....
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Jan 30, 2019 - 09:20am PT
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Werner, drop me a line at bee tee mayo79 (all lowercase, all one word) at gmail and I’ll fill you in. Anyone else who’s been rooting for me for that matter. Just don’t want to put it all out on a public forum.
Headed to Concord for a dr’s appt right now, so there will be a couple of hour lag in my reply.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 30, 2019 - 09:26am PT
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Brandon, it sounds to me like you’re being up front. You can do this, as long as you are honest with yourself as well.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2019 - 09:30am PT
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Keeping a matter off a public forum is not a red flag; it's a sign of decency, especially if doing so would cause pain/embarrassment/upset to another. I don't see this - at all - as a manipulative behavior.
Keep us posted, though, Brandon, on sobriety. We're here for you in that thread. This can be both the best of times and the worst of times. Climb on, dude!
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Jan 30, 2019 - 09:34am PT
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Brandon needs to fill in people online as why he left as many donated their hard earned money to help him. What a train wreck. When you donate to a go fund me, there's no contract, especially in this context. If it's important to you the money or events turn out in some approvable way - the best suggestion, as noted above - is don't give.
In fact, I would suggest, in this context, the best message to send is that the money is free and he can do whatever the heck he wants with it - unconditional. Suggesting he owes something in return and has fallen short seems like the worst possible message here.
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Jim Clipper
climber
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Jan 30, 2019 - 09:45am PT
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Brandon, keep on keeping on. I have no experience with recovery, but I've seen the consequences of withdrawal without treatment. Congrats on making some good decisions, and doing some good work.
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couchmaster
climber
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Jan 30, 2019 - 10:36am PT
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Brandon, don't worry over failure, just focus on what's ahead. Go each day, each hour, each moment -focusing on making it through that time. Dig down deep and get it man, rooting for you.
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nah000
climber
now/here
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Jan 30, 2019 - 11:51am PT
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this: In fact, I would suggest, in this context, the best message to send is that the money is free and he can do whatever the heck he wants with it - unconditional. Suggesting he owes something in return and has fallen short seems like the worst possible message here.
rarely agree with JLP, but he nailed articulating the opinion i am of, so thanks to him for that.
Brandon has so far been forth coming and willing to talk by phone or email with, apparently to date, anybody who has reached out...
anybody who thinks this internet drama is useful, for someone recovering from anything, even a cold, let alone years of dependence, is either naive or not thinking this all of the way through.
aka: while i appreciate that a lot of people have stepped up to help Brandon, his wife and Aaron, if those people think they need more info, i’d suggest they skip the desire to be a town crier and rather go to the source and then leave it at that.
and if the source doesn’t answer back then that is the nature of a go fund me such as this: it’s a gift/gamble/hope/etc...
not a contract/new dependence/etc
good luck brandon, brandon’s wife and aaron...
i’m rooting for all of you.
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Jan 30, 2019 - 01:37pm PT
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The duck hit the nail on the head. I'm sure he's seen it all before with any number of folks. There's a distinction between being supportive and being a dupe who thinks they can save someone, I've put in a few miles on either side of that line.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him not drink.
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johntp
Trad climber
By decision or indecision we are where we are.
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Jan 30, 2019 - 08:22pm PT
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now, brandon... please, do not give up...
this was 'your chance of a lifetime' meaning, as to a FIRST GO...
THERE of course, can be other chances, if you slip, but:
this was the one that could have (or still might?) built/build
as STRONG FOUNDATION...
Exactly neebster!
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jan 30, 2019 - 09:35pm PT
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hey there say, johntp... and, i know, too...
as you've said-- you've gone through these kind of things, too...
i've learned in life-- good foundations, as to whatever we do,
are really needed... the sooner the better...
hee hee-- us 'mommies' know... :)
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