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Brandon-
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The Granite State.
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Dec 12, 2018 - 08:42am PT
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Watched the video above with Trump, Pence, Pelosi and Schumer. Why this discussion happened in public is beyond me. And, Trump speaking over other people constantly? One of my pet peeves. Let a person finish their sentence, for crying out loud.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Dec 12, 2018 - 09:14am PT
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"I didn't really know much about Nancy Pelosi before watching this, and I have more respect for her now:"
One can gauge the overall effectiveness of a Democrat by the degree of sustained dislike of them that comes from the GOP. Pelosi has been deeply hated by the Right for many years now- that's a clear indicator she's been effective in moving policies that have been in conflict with those on the Right.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Dec 12, 2018 - 09:29am PT
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speaking of Santorum.
A friend, Tyeary who post on here occasionally, told me of the time he gave a ride to Bridwell. Now Bridwell was a pretty conservative guy, and Tony is not. Anyway, they got to discussing politics. This was about the time that Santorum was running for president. Tony asked Bridwell his opinion of Santorum. Bridwell responded that he thought Santorum was too liberal.
Regarding the chief of staff mess...While it’s amusing on one hand to watch the rats in the White House scramble, the reality is that increasingly, it is being staffed by kooks, crooks, and malcontents. We really do need the best people, and in a normal White House, attracting such people would be fairly easy.
But, this is not a normal White House. Let’s hope the sh#t doesn’t hit the fan the next two years.
what the country needs is someone to really up the reigns on trump. Kelly tried, and that didn't work. Maybe it's an impossible task.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Dec 12, 2018 - 09:30am PT
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getting the pardon started Mr. President?
That ship has already sailed. A pardon will not help much because if Cohen fails to testify against Trump the settlement can get torn up and he could get re-sentenced.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Dec 12, 2018 - 10:00am PT
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"One can gauge the overall effectiveness of a Democrat by the degree of sustained dislike of them that comes from the GOP. Pelosi has been deeply hated by the Right for many years now- that's a clear indicator she's been effective in moving policies that have been in conflict with those on the Right." -apogee
This is exactly right.
It's shocking how we can be SUCH SUCKERS for the gop narrative, the anti-science narrative, the anti government narrative, the anti-dem narrative if we hear em enough.
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What's an ex felon? (cf: ex-convict)
re: felon vs ex-felon
Once a person has been convicted of a felony, he or she can be considered a felon for life, according to the strict meaning of the word. ( The term ex-felon, for example, is rarely used.)
A person who has committed a felony is a felon. In addition, upon conviction of a felony in a court of law, a person is known as a convicted felon or a convict.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 12, 2018 - 10:03am PT
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what the country needs is someone to really up the reigns on trump. Kelly tried, and that didn't work. Maybe it's an impossible task.
Yeah...a hopeless task.
Trump is too f*#ked in the head.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Dec 12, 2018 - 11:26am PT
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Why this discussion happened in public is beyond me.
Trump intentionally brought in the press cameras, and then put on a show for his fan base. Fox News and other right-wing news outlets declare the demented charade a tremendous victory for Trump (Trump used the word "tremendous" nine times during the 16-minute meeting; "great" five times; "incredible" four times; also, "fantastic" and "spectacular"). The fan base verdict will be that Trump stood tough when the Democrat bullies called him a liar for presenting fictitious statistics about the imaginary effectiveness of a non-existent border wall.
Trump's claims that "tremendous amounts" of the wall have been built are complete lies. NONE of the wall has been built, at all. Some additional fencing has been built, as near El Paso. But, Trump's statements about existing walls, and walls currently being built, are outright lies.
Trump is fixated on perception and appearance, and is oblivious to substance and reality. His self-image is that of a magical, or God-like, entity that can conjure an alternative reality and force it into existence with his deranged lies and absurd delusions. It is entirely possible that Trump is truly insane, and that he believes that his performance in the Oval Office that day was a historic act of exemplary statesmanship. Trump may also believe that his wall is being built - Jared Kushner, Stephen Miller and other aides have their own private agendas, and they may be assuring Trump that his kingdom has come, and that his will is being done, on earth, if not in heaven.
One of Trump's con-man schticks is to play the role of "Champion Combatant For The Little Guy". He repeatedly used this fraudulent persona during the campaign and into his presidency. Despite repeatedly hurting the little guy with his pro-oligarch agenda, his fans continue to lap up the bellicose rhetoric of Donald "Too Tough" Trump. Trump needs to engage others in public combat as part of his tough-guy schtick. Otherwise, he's just a foolish old man making ludicrous and absurd statements that have no basis in reality.
One way he claims to be fighting for the little guy is scapegoating, demonizing and terrorizing illegal immigrants, whom he refers to as "enemies" and "invaders". Instead of addressing actual, reality-based causes for the shifting economy, he claims that "Mexican rapists" are stealing jobs that should go to citizens. Trump needs to have an enemy that he can blame for the ills of his fan base, which is a group that comprises self-styled victims who are anxious to be rescued by a racist totalitarian demagogue.
Trump fights for the border wall as part of this tough-guy act. He has little to no interest in building the wall itself. He has hardly spent any of the money already allocated by Congress for border barriers. He is only interested in perpetuating a condition of conflict and crisis so that he can puff himself up on Twitter as a heroic warrior for the people who are mesmerized by his 130,000 p.s.i. ego.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Dec 12, 2018 - 12:07pm PT
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One can gauge the overall effectiveness of a Republican by the degree of sustained dislike of them that comes from the Dems. McConnell has been deeply hated by the Left for many years now- that's a clear indicator he's been effective in moving policies that have been in conflict with those on the Left.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Dec 12, 2018 - 12:31pm PT
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That's entirely true, Edward.
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Klimmer2.0
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Dec 12, 2018 - 01:05pm PT
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Watch:
Q - The Plan To Save The World (Subtitles)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vw9N96E-aQ&t=115s
Q & A:
Ask yourself who is narrating this video?
What and who is Q?
Who is within Q?:
A:
Military Intelligence
POTUS
JFK Jr. (He truly lives believe it or not)
All of us
We are Q.
Learn more:
About 30 videos to get caught up on what is happening in the background. You have some HW …
JFK JR LIVES!!! #1: ADDRESSING THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM (VIDEO 1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYeJ5_xjiI8
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Edit: Stay up with Q drops ...
https://qmap.pub/
If you don't honestly look into it you will never know.
I'm looking forward to John-John's and his family's return to the public after decades of being safeguarded by the military witness protection program. It will be a very happy and a very wonderful good day ...
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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Dec 12, 2018 - 01:25pm PT
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McConnell has been deeply hated by the Left for many years
It's because of his mail order bride.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 12, 2018 - 02:26pm PT
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Klimmer, get help.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Dec 12, 2018 - 02:56pm PT
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A person who has committed a felony is a felon. In addition, upon conviction of a felony in a court of law, a person is known as a convicted felon or a convict.
Also, accepting a pardon doesn’t change that. The Supreme Court ruled in 1915 that accepting a pardon carries with it an admission of guilt.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=3928528117882105076
As such, you no longer have 5th amendment protection for that crime.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 12, 2018 - 02:59pm PT
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Yer all guilty and more guilty than Trump!!!
Because yer all st00pid politards........
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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Dec 12, 2018 - 03:28pm PT
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I beg your pardon?
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Dec 12, 2018 - 03:43pm PT
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Speaking of felons. It appears the Republican Presidents have had a rough stretch for the last 48 years. I never dreamed the Dept. of Justice had hated Republican Presidents that long & that much.
And as the right-wing knows, if one political cartoon is good, two are better.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Dec 12, 2018 - 05:33pm PT
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Felons in California can petition a court for a certificate of rehabilitation, which is then forwarded to the governor as a plea for a pardon.
https://criminal-law.freeadvice.com/criminal-law/arrests_and_searches/california-certificate-of-rehabilitation.htm
A Certificate of Rehabilitation (“COR”) is a California court-order declaring that a person previously convicted of a felony (or misdemeanor sex offense) is now rehabilitated. The purpose of the COR is to restore civil and political rights of citizenship to ex-felons who have proved their rehabilitation. The standards for determining whether a convicted felon is entitled to a COR are high. The COR is effective for convictions that resulted in state prison time and is a crucial first step for obtaining a pardon by the California Governor.
Before anyone erroneously conjectures that I know this because I am the same person as Thomas Carope Kasper (which I am not), a simple Google search of FBOP records will show that T.C. Kasper was in a Federal prison at the same time that I was doing hard time on El Capitan, with online photos and trip reports to prove it.
(I am still asked, occasionally, if I was "The Guy On The Airliner". One time, I told classmates that I was, indeed, currently serving 20 years on Terminal Island, but the warden had let me out for the weekend so that I could attend my class reunion.)
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Dec 12, 2018 - 05:45pm PT
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If, as HFCS says, "A person who has committed a felony is a felon," then God is an iron.
(Spider Robinson)
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Dec 12, 2018 - 06:38pm PT
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What does that mean, "God is an iron"?
When I take my clothes out of the dryer, their natural tendency is to become wrinkled. If "God is an iron", shouldn't I naturally look better when going out in public?
Q: Why don't Trump supporters breed elephants?
A: Because after 18 months they all say, "NO CONCEPTION! WITCH HUNT!"
VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
When I send my dirty Patagonia clothes in for free repair, they always come back fresh-as-a-daisy and crisply ironed. It's cheaper than dry cleaning, but it takes about three weeks.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Dec 12, 2018 - 07:06pm PT
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Spider Robinson's point is that God commits ironies.
A person commits felonies and is thus a felon.
God commits ironies and is thus an iron.
Get it? (snare drum sound)
Actually, I thought it was pretty dang clever when I read Mindkiller.
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