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formerclimber
Boulder climber
CA
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johntp
Okay, I'll take the bait.
You sir, want everything for nothing. Doesn't work that way in the US.
Go home.
You seem to have a problem with immigrants since you say "go home". My home is here too. You have no more home here than me. Do you say these things on the street? Watch out these words may end poorly in the street situation. Or, only run bigotry on the forums, from behind the screens?
As to wanting everything for nothing: may be it's you who's like this? Don't project it on me.
I'm willing to pay reasonable for reasonable. And situation/prices here is NOT reasonable.
Don't tell me "how it works in the US". I doubt you know how it works here and doubt you have any control over it. Next election will bring some surprises for you, like Bernie Sanders, I hope.
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Mei
Trad climber
mxi2000.net
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Seeing the title of the thread, I knew I could offer no answer, but I clicked in anyway. Maybe I was curious what made you question whether “America gone bad beyond hope.” Reading your posts, I could sense that the struggles were real. Somehow I found many of them relatable (not that moving to Russian is ever an option for me.) While it’s easy for people to dismiss you or question your sincerity in seeking advice once they feel that the wisdom they offered were not taken with the seriousness it deserves (how dare you!), I understand that being as analytical as you are, you’ve gotten no stones unturned and yet still have no clear vision into the landscape.
I believe you’ve covered all, or almost all, possible avenues of getting yourself out of the bind, but there is one area I do not see questioned. One reason that you feel very limited in your searches is your health. In my mind, a healthy adult should be able to adapt to any climate and environment he’s exposed to. Among other things, if you have any joint issue as an aftermath of your prior climbing accident, I wonder what cold climate would do to it esp. when you age. If you are so willing to make drastic changes to your life, have you looked into taking drastic measures to fix your health? Depending on the underlying causes of your health issues, you might find some serious detoxing, fasting, or diet change (elimination) helpful if they hit the right spot. These are not pseudoscience, but are oftentimes dismissed too quickly. Maybe it deserves a duration of dedication to look into your health before you start uprooting.
I’m sure you didn’t expect anyone on the forum to be able to offer you an answer, but for the time you take to articulate your hundreds of threads of considerations, I hope you at least find the discussion a helpful bouncing board, rather than a total waste of time. Best wishes to solving your inner debate.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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If you pin your hopes on 'elected' puppets anywhere on the planet you will be sorely dissapointed.
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formerclimber
Boulder climber
CA
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Mei
Seeing the title of the thread, I knew I could offer no answer, but I clicked in anyway. Maybe I was curious what made you question whether “America gone bad beyond hope.” Reading your posts, I could sense that the struggles were real. Somehow I found many of them relatable (not that moving to Russian is ever an option for me.) While it’s easy for people to dismiss you or question your sincerity in seeking advice once they feel that the wisdom they offered were not taken with the seriousness it deserves (how dare you!), I understand that being as analytical as you are, you’ve gotten no stones unturned and yet still have no clear vision into the landscape.
I believe you’ve covered all, or almost all, possible avenues of getting yourself out of the bind, but there is one area I do not see questioned. One reason that you feel very limited in your searches is your health. In my mind, a healthy adult should be able to adapt to any climate and environment he’s exposed to. Among other things, if you have any joint issue as an aftermath of your prior climbing accident, I wonder what cold climate would do to it esp. when you age. If you are so willing to make drastic changes to your life, have you looked into taking drastic measures to fix your health? Depending on the underlying causes of your health issues, you might find some serious detoxing, fasting, or diet change (elimination) helpful if they hit the right spot. These are not pseudoscience, but are oftentimes dismissed too quickly. Maybe it deserves a duration of dedication to look into your health before you start uprooting.
I’m sure you didn’t expect anyone on the forum to be able to offer you an answer, but for the time you take to articulate your hundreds of threads of considerations, I hope you at least find the discussion a helpful sounding board, rather than a total waste of time. Best wishes to solving your inner debate.
First, I got a very good suggestion on this forum, about trying to stay in Russia for some time first, without making it permanent move right away and deciding later. I see this as holding onto additional investments into home/land, taking less animals than I would like to, and not expanding my set of belongings. I think I'm going to do exactly this. Instead of traveling the world, may be use this time to travel to different areas of Russia and compare.
As to health....not only I can't adapt to heat, I hate it with all my guts, anything over 75F is a misearable temperature. It's easier to tolerate it being outdoor, camping, but once it gets to the mid-80s, this is it. Wouldn't be able o work in the garden and would be laying under A/C set on max. Not every climate is for everyone. Some people like cold and some people like warm or hot. I grew up in Moscow, with very gold climate at that time (it got warmer now), back then it was dropping to -40C (same as -40F). I like cold climate, real winter, real spring, and some fall....like what I grew up with. My medical issues relate not only to serious injuries from climbing accident, I had another accident later and neurological disease, plus bipolar which go way beyond stuff like diet/detoxification, I've been into tracking diets for over 10 years by now, did what I could in this department. I like cold and snow just fine, my native environment. Long season of "summer" cooks you inside, melts your brains, takes away will for life. No worries about going back to cold climate. When I was growing up, actually, anyone had to pass medical comission to be allowed to partake in school travel to warm latitudes, to climate way less hot than California...heat is dangerous stuff. There're some kind of Yaks in Himalayas, I heard they die if temperature goes above 71F...
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formerclimber
Boulder climber
CA
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fear
If you pin your hopes on 'elected' puppets anywhere on the planet you will be sorely dissapointed.
You have to pin on something, even if it's a puppet. And take lesser evil, the way life goes. I can't pin my hopes on eco hippie collective sitting in the White House soon!
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pb
Sport climber
Sonora Ca
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Ireland?
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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You've clearly decided that everything here sucks, so definitely move. Post back with some pics of your Dacha, or whatever they're called. Russia is a fascinating place. Just recently read a great biography of Peter the Great. Or you could go to Stolby and die soloing like the crazy people there. Wow. That was sarcasm, btw. I hope you find what works. Stolby IS crazy, however.
You will find, however, that no matter where you go, there you are.
BAd
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formerclimber
Boulder climber
CA
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Root
Sounds like you need to go on a vacation to Russia and take a hard look before deciding...
Yep, long working vacation, 1-2 years... then your reference point changes, it takes time, and you start to see things around you differently. I have to give adjustment time for initial culture shock which is inevitable. Then can decide for long term plans.
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formerclimber
Boulder climber
CA
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Bad Climber
You've clearly decided that everything here sucks, so definitely move. Post back with some pics of your Dacha, or whatever they're called. Russia is a fascinating place. Just recently read a great biography of Peter the Great. Or you could go to Stolby and die soloing like the crazy people there. Wow. That was sarcasm, btw. I hope you find what works. Stolby IS crazy, however.
You will find, however, that no matter where you go, there you are.
Highlighted is a very wrong statement.
Sorry, living in Somalia, US, Canada, Venezuela, Afghanistan and India aren't the same things. Wherever your precious self goes, it's external environment that can kill you (or harm you in other major ways), without concern of who and what you are.
Or, it can kill you solely based on your race and gender. Being nice, does not help when thugs come onto you, in a land with no law, I assure you. It also does not protect you from discrimination in a country where it's legal and open.
Also, you're dead wrong about me deciding that "everything here sucks" (do you feel this way yourself, right?). I stated very clearly which things became unacceptable, deal breaker things, life or death things (as in case of healthcare, and potential of being bankrupted by it), negating all that is good, and I hope that they will change soon.
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Trump
climber
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You’re the expert on you.
My best advice is to stay on your meds.
Best wishes, wherever you take your life!
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formerclimber
Boulder climber
CA
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Trump
You’re the expert on you.
My best advice is to stay on your meds.
Best wishes, wherever you take your life!
I'm actually not on any meds....but you stay on yours.
Hopefully, just a couple of more years of you, Trump.
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Alexey
climber
San Jose, CA
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I immagine symmetrical situation:
One American immigrated into Russia 25 years ago , than lost all illusions about Russia and on Russian public forum speaking about how bad Russian climate , terrible Russian's authorities & Russian's roads and Russian's fools. "чемодан вокзал америка!" would be probably common suggestion. Looks like ST forum is very gentle and polite in comparison .
Back to topic since you asked..
My personal opinion:
EDIT: I removed my personal opinion because most probably you are TROLL
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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You need to read Tom Wolfe’s You Can't Go Home Again.
I’ve spent more time in Russia than 99.9999% of Americans. I’ve spent more time in the USA
than you. The USA is a LOT better. That said it is a LOT worse than Norway, or Sweden.
They don’t have fat people. It’s against the law. You can do anything you want there, as long
as it doesn’t bother anybody else. That’s why I want to move there. But they don’t want me,
which is fine because I don’t want me either. They will let me spend a lot of time there, which
is just about as good because then I’ll have to come back here regularly to see fat people.
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Alexey
climber
San Jose, CA
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There is general suspicion to people who join this forum starting new tread with first post.
And unfortunately nowadays there is direct associations between words "Russian" and "Troll"
I re-read the tread and now I have doubts that you are living and had ever lived in California.
Since it is climbing forum do you mind to tell us what name of the route you had "bad accident" and how it happen?
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pell
climber
Moscow
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There's still some remains of socialism present
C'mon, it's almost gone. After 1965 reform there is almost no socialism at all.
there's still free healthcare.
Nope.
there're plenty of cheap houses
It depends.
even free to take houses, in rural areas.
Really rural areas.
A lot of land one can lease for dimes, for doing agriculture.
Again, in really rural areas. No electricity, no communications. If you are of a kind "wanna live like in stone ages" this is exactly what are you looking for. Just a friendly reminder. Almost all Russian territory is beyond the minimal agricultural standards.
the big problem, however, is property theft in most places.
Nope.
A lot of other crime and safety concerns, basically a 3rd world country situation.
Nope.
And wonderfully cold climate, cold summers while very small number of ticks in many areas.
It depends.
Basically, Russia is neither a paradise nor a hell. There is nothing special about Russia. As well as there is nothing special about any other country.
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Alexey
climber
San Jose, CA
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Pell , do you think formerclimber is posting from Olgino?{ Ольгино) every post 100 rubles . 40 posts in 5 hours , about one post every 10 min? And posting is contradict what is really is in Moscow and what is really is in Cali.
Edit :changed typo "posing" to "posting"
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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As many others have mentioned, you seem to have already made your mind up and want affirmation of our decision. Why you would ask others for that I don't kow. What's your passport status? Do you have a US passport, permanent residence or just live here on the sly? Basically, can you return if you split?
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pell
climber
Moscow
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Alexey, yep. Exactly.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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As well as there is nothing special about any other country.
Dood! You need to travel more! Somalia is waaay special!
Right up there with Norway on the Special Spectrum!
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