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Daphne
Trad climber
Northern California
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Sep 28, 2017 - 09:51am PT
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I send prayers for comfort to the loved ones of those lost. And light to those who are processing the witnessing.
There is so much we can control when climbing but rock falling is not one of those things. To feel fear and invoke God seems a completely normal response.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Sep 28, 2017 - 10:01am PT
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First, condolences to family and friends of any deceased. Good luck on healing quickly to those injured.
As to publishing the photograph, people are citing Copyright law incorrectly.
From the US Copyright Office:
"Fair use is a legal doctrine that promotes freedom of expression by permitting the unlicensed use of copyright-protected works in certain circumstances. Section 107 of the Copyright Act provides the statutory framework for determining whether something is a fair use and identifies certain types of uses—such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research—as examples of activities that may qualify as fair use."
This is clearly news reporting. Those using the pictures have not hidden their activity, and have reached out. It's hard to imagine what else one could do. I think they have acted appropriately, and respectfully.
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j-tree
Big Wall climber
Typewriters and Ledges
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Sep 28, 2017 - 10:08am PT
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This is clearly news reporting. Those using the pictures have not hidden their activity, and have reached out. It's hard to imagine what else one could do. I think they have acted appropriately, and respectfully.
I would imagine they could have:
1. Not used the photo at press time, going instead with the factual text gleaned from reporting (as the images are more about customer engagement with material rather than factual reporting)
2. Had some modicum of patience and waited until permission was granted
3. Updated the online version of the article with the photos once (and if) the permission was given.
Doesn't seem too hard to imagine at all.
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Rhodo-Router
Gym climber
sawatch choss
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Sep 28, 2017 - 10:32am PT
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Yeah, because the image was secretly and securely hidden away from all eyes on...the internet. Who could have known?
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john hansen
climber
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Sep 28, 2017 - 10:37am PT
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In this time lapse from the Yosemite web cam you can see a flash of the dust cloud at about 26 seconds in. You can also see the fresh rock exposed after the 26 second mark. If you play from about 20 seconds to 30 seconds a few times it is easy to see.
http://www.halfdome.net/movies/inspiration_pt/
Also above ,Anita posted a photo from Tom Evans. I checked his website and it does not look like he has his Sept 27 report up. Not sure if he still does one everyday or not..
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Sep 28, 2017 - 10:52am PT
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Helicopter pilot Chris creamer wrote me to say that no one else is missing. I absolutely cannot believe that one person survived what I saw.
A true blue Big Wall Miracle.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 28, 2017 - 11:00am PT
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How do they know for sure there isn't anybody else under that enormous pile?
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hiker11
Gym climber
Lafayette
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Sep 28, 2017 - 11:24am PT
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My daughter was climbing in Yosemite yesterday and planning to portaledge last night. We've not heard from her. Can anyone tell me how advanced the waterfall route is? She's been training for her first big wall climb so wouldn't have been on an advanced route.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Sep 28, 2017 - 11:25am PT
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How do they know for sure there isn't anybody else under that enormous pile? They can't know 'for sure' but rely on lack of missing persons reports, perhaps a lack of unknown unattended vehicles, cadaver dogs? Just my guesses.
It's also possible that by the time all the dust settled the debris was not as deep as we imagine.
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j-tree
Big Wall climber
Typewriters and Ledges
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Sep 28, 2017 - 11:28am PT
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John Hansen: Not sure if he still does one everyday or not...
Tom was doing once a week earlier in the season. Not sure about his return for part two of the bigwall season
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nathanael
climber
CA
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Sep 28, 2017 - 11:33am PT
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My daughter was climbing in Yosemite yesterday and planning to portaledge last night. We've not heard from her. Can anyone tell me how advanced the waterfall route is? She's been training for her first big wall climb so wouldn't have been on an advanced route.
She would not have been on that route, and if there was someone on the route I'm quite sure Pete or others would have seen the party.
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Axis
climber
San Jose, CA
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Sep 28, 2017 - 11:47am PT
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2 Brits..a couple. Apparently at base - not climbing. 16,000 cu-ft estimated. 7 falls in all. Photo released by NPS.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 28, 2017 - 11:53am PT
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To put that into persoective imagine 1000 large dump trucks backing up to the edge of El Cap and dumping their loads.
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chill
climber
The fat part of the bell-curve
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Sep 28, 2017 - 11:53am PT
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Listening to the 7 minute radio interview, it's clear PPTP was thoroughly enjoying his 15 seconds of fame.
Yeah! I saw a picture of him toasting the death with a glass of wine!
Seriously here, why the hate for Pete?
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7SacredPools
Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
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Sep 28, 2017 - 11:57am PT
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Not to diminish this rockfall but wouldn't 16,000 cu. ft. be more like 30 truck loads?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 28, 2017 - 12:00pm PT
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My math is often suspect but a large dump truck holds 14 cubic yards.
edit: My reading is more suspect. I read yards. :-/
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 28, 2017 - 12:01pm PT
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This area has had active rockfall over the years.
Most recently one before this one yesterday I believe was 3 years ago which was even more massive it seemed then this one?
The one I believe was 3 years ago happen very early in the morning and hardly any witnesses as the one yesterday.
Having witnesses makes the drama exponentially far greater including the fact there were injuries and fatality.
For the life of me, I can't understand people messing around in these active rockfall areas, especially wanting to climb in them (PTPP).
This time of the year you get extreme temperature ranges from daytime highs to nighttime lows which encourage a higher incident of expansion and contractions.
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aldude
climber
Monument Manor
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Sep 28, 2017 - 12:08pm PT
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Which routes are affected by this rockfall? Clint?
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Crazy Bat
Sport climber
Birmingham, AL & Seweanee, TN
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Sep 28, 2017 - 12:11pm PT
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I suspect Pete was suffering from an excess of adrenaline. It can make your behavior far different from what others would normally exspect.
About the daughter, if you still have not heard from her try contacting the climbing ranger. He will be the most likely to know who she was climbing with, or who to ask about where she was climbimg.
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