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WBraun
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May 25, 2017 - 08:13am PT
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Typical Bob making absolutes.
Bob never took modern science.
Modern science does not make absolutes.
Bob does not know his own science ....
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feralfae
Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
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May 25, 2017 - 08:19am PT
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Anthropologically, I've found that gods seem to have been invented to explain the extraordinary, and even much of the ordinary in nature, in ways that were satisfactory at the time. Gods bring rain, cause thunder and lightning, determine the success of hunts, and even bring in the buffalo or fish or fruits on the trees. Later, I think some people began to feel that their actions could influence the gods. They made themselves into priests and rainmakers.
The codification of behaviors came later, I think, with the introduction of agriculture and the opportunity to store up "savings" in the form of surplus harvests. Agriculture allowed for permanent settlements and the hierarchical, enforced stratification of society to emerge.
And I firmly think that people who want to control other people are sick, mentally.
ff
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you.
Trad climber
fresh, isle
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May 25, 2017 - 08:20am PT
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cowardice and fear offer the least resistance thru this existence.
hence the mass following.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 25, 2017 - 08:58am PT
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"Typical Bob making absolutes.
Bob never took modern science.
Modern science does not make absolutes.
Bob does not know his own science ...."
Typical Werner, talking smack.
Science is constantly looking for answers, religion thinks it knows them.
Tell us how you know there is a god Werner?
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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May 25, 2017 - 09:06am PT
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Werner is right Bob.
Agnostic people "believe" in science now instead of religion.
You read it in a "science" book and believe it. You do not look for yourself.
News reports usually speak in generalities "Scientists say...."
Who says? What scientist? Who is a scientist? You you get a "Scientist" cert from a school?
I get your point in that science is more logical and easy to follow than the Old Testament.
Werner is saying wake up and look. It's all dogma unless you look for yourself.
(Although he may have some snide comment about this post.)
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feralfae
Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
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May 25, 2017 - 09:45am PT
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Good thoughts, Spider, thank you.
Science and spirituality ask and answer different sets of questions.
Seeking answers from both is an enrichment, not a narrowing, of thought.
And I am reminded of the old saw, about the scientist who said she could create life from mud, and the question arose from a bystander "Yes, but who will make the mud?"
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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May 25, 2017 - 09:57am PT
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Largely naive** thoughts, Spider.
You should hook up with WB, at bottom you've got so much in common.
Hang tough, Bob. Remember, average intelligence is 100.
At this site, it's probably lower. At least by many
posts it can seem so.
In America, making a mockery of science is a popular pastime these
days.
** charitable? maybe
ff, a wee-bit too sugary, per usual; your posts might be flagged as diabetes-inducing.
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WBraun
climber
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May 25, 2017 - 10:09am PT
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Hang tough, Bob. Remember, average intelligence is 100.
So you are saying that you and Bob are at 50 or lower.
Way too funny ....
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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May 25, 2017 - 10:45am PT
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You folks have won the argument. Religion is hereby cancelled, forthwith.
Have a great rest of your week!
DMT
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 25, 2017 - 11:00am PT
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Spider...weak sauce. What questions has religion answered for you??
"Werner is saying wake up and look. It's all dogma unless you look for yourself.'
Looking out from the bottom of a dumpster??
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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May 25, 2017 - 11:09am PT
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some of us have woken from the illusion of God
we looked, and we saw, and we understood why
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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May 25, 2017 - 12:36pm PT
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Seems fitting to place this here.
Former Acting Attorney General Sally Yates delivers Class Day speech at Harvard Law School...
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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May 25, 2017 - 12:50pm PT
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Reeotch: We've had the great enlightenment, . . . .
Which one was that? You mean the French or English one a few centuries ago, or some other one?
Spider Savage: Agnostic people "believe" in science now instead of religion.
(Better steer clear of this one. The Force is strong with him.)
:-)
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clode
Trad climber
portland, or
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May 25, 2017 - 12:53pm PT
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So Happie, who "designed religion", as you put it in your second paragraph? Some Roman aqueduct engineer?
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2017 - 01:26pm PT
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Design can relate to a plan, process or strategy. It's not restricted to physical items.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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May 25, 2017 - 04:33pm PT
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OP: Is Religion Doing More Harm Than Good These Days?
I was wondering . . . compared to what?
(And how would one measure it?)
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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May 25, 2017 - 04:56pm PT
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Seriously, tt? How about all the secular charities that are doing fine work nowadays?
There are reasons iron age religions are getting pushback, I can't believe you don't know this.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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May 25, 2017 - 04:58pm PT
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hey there say, happygrrl.. say,
i don't have too much to add to all this,
as, folks know pretty much how they feel on these things...
but, i know you shared, just so we WOULD share something,
as, you are curious...
religion, is connected to spirituality, too much, and
it should not be... folks use it for whatever they
want folks to 'join', so it seems?
ones spiritual life, is really ones own personal adventure,
and if they get stuck in various religions, well, they may
never understand more in life, than what that 'group' WANTs
one to learn-and-do...
...
so, that is why the word, religion can be used by ANYONE then, in the old days, and now, to have such 'power' to various things (good or bad)...
other than that, as to your question about rules, i think?
children need rules in the home...
nature, has animals with rules in there 'family system'...
if you want to read, you learn the alphabet, etc,
so, i think if you want kids to learn how to 'read/undestand' life,
well, they NEED an 'alphabet/or, list of characters' to behave,
as to...
(good or bad, you will see it in the homes)-- forms of conduct...
some folks choose spiritual rules, like the bible proverbs, and other choose spiritual rules, life asian philosphy, indian, native, etc, ...
and sadly, some folks choose fleshy self indulgne and violence,
and indiference, lies, stealing, in THERE home...
religions, won't make any of that good stuff work, or,
make the bad stuff better...
it is UP to the human heart/spirit, and that
is the key to perhaps? what you are wondering about???
other than sharing that, i don't have much to offer, as,
everyone has their own way to god, jesus, and any other main
gods, used in this world, and as to being atheist, too,
so:
so, in the midst of ALL THAT, is where the goodness,
or harm is... in the human's 'desire' ...
in time, everything gets seen for what it is, perhaps, as
you 'judge each tree' by its fruit, whever it is good or harmful, and
then, either 'go with' it, or 'reject it'...
does that help you, at all??
these are just a few little thoughts, you just can't
put it all in a box, sometimes, ...
as, everyone has an answer, and wow-- you KNOW how many
humans there are, out there, ;)
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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May 25, 2017 - 05:11pm PT
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Curious what you or others opposed to organized religion did this year to help.
Not really opposed to religion. In fact, I'm convinced that institutional science, some scientists and assorted science zealots can be every bit as dogmatic as the most fanatic religious people. In my case, charity donations are an important family function and these include "Cáritas", a Catholic charity group. I'm particularly impressed with Bergoglio's work before he became Pope. I seriously doubt any of the anti-religious people on this thread, who so roundly criticize religion, have reached out to, connected with and sincerely helped as many disadvantaged people as Bergoglio has. The poor people in the slums of Argentina love this guy. Still, I have a hard time not making fun of religious people when they say things that that strike me as totally absurd. Maybe that's wrong, but that's who I am. I'm not a religious person, but when I see there are immoral d#@&%ebags who use their peers for their own personal benefit and who (seem to) flourish, while good decent people so often get the shaft, I sometimes wonder about the possible role of a just and merciful God in the universal scheme of things.
Cheers Timid Top Rope!
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