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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Imiwaia
Imiwaia Hill
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
but to scared to climb them anymore
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2018 - 06:02pm PT
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Reilly,
I have mixed feelings and some are selfish. I pray that the guys spending the money gets done correctly. I do believe it is a good move, but not sure how to process it.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
but to scared to climb them anymore
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 2, 2018 - 10:21pm PT
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XCon, without getting into details, other groups are working in nearby drainages/river systems. I still haven't told details on exact locations of which valleys I wander....and they use helicopters and special forces for access, haha!
I just hope this area gets protection even though I will loose my secret valleys.
Qball, confused jungle wanderer.
Edit... The metates are made of sandstone and I also know of a quarry I found several years ago. I have visited it a few times and look at the half completed metates and scratch my head. It is a pretty wild walk to get there.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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The Garbage Project and the Lean Cuisine Syndrome etc (1992)
To an archaeologist, ancient garbage pits or garbage mounds, which can usually be located within a short distance from any ruin, are always among the happiest of finds, for they contain in concentrated form the artifacts and comestibles and remnants of behavior of the people who used them. While every archaeologist dreams of discovering spectacular objects, the bread-and-butter work of archaeology involves the most common and routine kinds of discards. It is not entirely fanciful to define archaeology as the discipline that tries to understand old garbage.
But when all the piles have been sorted and counted and weighed and all that data has been entered into computer databases, there is a payoff: facts. ``Garbage . . . represents physical fact, not mythology,`` the authors write. Garbage offers a reality-check, a chance to place what we do against what we think we do.
For example, there is what the Garbage Project calls the Lean Cuisine Syndrome: When people are asked about their eating habits, they say one thing. When you examine their garbage, you find out something else.
``People consistently underreport the amount of regular soda, pastries, chocolate, and fats that they consume; they consistently overreport the amount of fruits and diet soda,`` Rathje and Murphy note.
People tend to underestimate their intake of sugar by 94 percent, chips and popcorn by 81 percent and candy by 80 percent. They tend to overestimate their intake of tuna by 184 percent, liver by 200 percent and cottage cheese by 311 percent.
And when people get the advice to reduce fat intake by eating less fat by cutting away fat from red meat, they do so, but at the same time they start eating more sausage (high on fat).
Given the heightened health awareness in the U.S., such self-deception is probably understandable. But the Garbage Project has also come up with findings that fly in the face of what you`d expect.
For example, when an item, like red meat or sugar, is in short supply, you`d think that people would be especially careful not to waste it. But the opposite turns out to be true. During a beef shortage in the early 1970s, ``people wasted three times more beef when it was in short supply than they did when it was plentiful.``
Why? Apparently, because of the shortage, people ``were buying up all the beef they could get their hands on, even if some of the cuts were unfamiliar.`` But they didn`t know how to cook those unfamiliar cuts and didn`t like the way they tasted. Thus, more garbage.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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On a kayak trip along the west coast of Vancouver Island we camped on a beach next to a midden that had to be 3 meters high. Didn’t dig thru it but it looked to be 99% clam shells.
Nothing but Lean Cuisine for those folks. We certainly enjoyed a fine dinner there.
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
but to scared to climb them anymore
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 3, 2018 - 09:57am PT
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Reilly,
Shell middens are my specialty! Haha! I first got started in malacology digging through old muskrat middens below my house. Up to 76 species from one shoal. Been helping a grad student with her project to date the material. Some results show that muskrat ate them 1000 years ago!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Q, we gotta have a beer so I can tell you about digging with Dr Leakey! Yes, that guy. 😽
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
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I'll buy the beer!
Arne
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
but to scared to climb them anymore
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 4, 2018 - 07:02am PT
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Reilly and Arne,
Come on over, cooking up some venison and beef steaks later today for a bunch of folks. May go tubing on the river later. I know it is short notice, sorry for that.
Qball
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
but to scared to climb them anymore
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 17, 2019 - 06:28pm PT
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A couple of my"secret valleys" in HN have been looted. It is not unexpected but the reason I started this thread.
I had hoped I had a few years to get it protected... More protected is better wording.
I can't blame the folks that removed artifacts to get money for feeding their kids. I don't worry about anything written on supertopo. They had no knowledge of the areas or arch stuff, just random Indians hauling stuff out to buy rice for family... Ughhhh makes me sick
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 17, 2019 - 07:01pm PT
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The sad thing is those indios are probably getting pennies on the dollar compared to what the rich gringo sh!thead collector is paying after it goes through 2 or 3 middlemen, huh?
A propos of indios - saw an ad on a bus in Columbia for something stoopid. The ad started out
“No seas un indio, you need to buy this!
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Q- Ball
Mountain climber
but to scared to climb them anymore
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 18, 2019 - 11:50am PT
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Pennies if they are lucky. I tracked them for 2.5 walking days to see the route used to access the area and where they came from. It was a completely different route from mine but was trending towards a village a few days further.
Again, not surprising, but disappointing. I would love to meet these locals and learn jungle tricks on how they navigate without a map.
An obscure creek off unnamed rivers and mountains that takes 5 days to reach from a village.
I'm impressed with the route they found and ability to cruise through the woods. I wonder if they are the naked guys with bows and arrows some Pech talked about a few years ago.
And yes, I have been hired as a tracker in the past, this is random brain thoughts piecing together the limited sign I followed for many miles. I was happy to be able to follow them as far as I did.
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Nick Danger
Ice climber
Arvada, CO
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Mar 18, 2019 - 01:59pm PT
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I found some cool arch sites in the southern Great Basin while doing geologic mapping for the Feds on a DOE project. I did the programatically right thing by taking the cultural resource folks back to this site. They did their own due diligence with photos and note-taking, but removed nothing. Interestingly, these sites were so far off the beaten path that the arch folks never went back, and that day went into the local lore as "Nick's death march". It's on a restricted access patch of land associated with the Nevada Test Site so I remain unconcerned that anyone else will ever go back there and loot the place. Discovering it was totally awesome, though.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Mar 18, 2019 - 02:06pm PT
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I remain unconcerned that anyone else will ever go back there and loot the place.
If there’s enough money in it somebody will do it. Not a matter of if.
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