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Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 26, 2017 - 09:12am PT
It turns out that just about every official responsible for voting in all of the states has made the same statement. Of course it is reasonable to expect that Democrats would lie, but why would a Republican.

Why wouldn't a Repub? He wouldn't want his reputation besmirched, would he?
They're all going to circle their wagons in defense of their competence and integrity.
Roger Breedlove

climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
Jan 26, 2017 - 10:01am PT
Reilly, I don't think that Republicans or Democrats want there to be any voter fraud. And since state officers all have an obligation to investigate, unlike legislators, I believe they probably do work hard to track it down. This is an issue with the Republicans mostly because it is part of their efforts to disenfranchise poor voters. Of course they don't see it that way, but the federal courts who have heard cases are finding that disenfranchisement, if not the intent, is the outcome, and are striking down or modifying voting laws. In one state, the official in charge was asked why they were passing such a law and he responded that after the Supreme Court gutted federal oversight of the Voting Rights Act that they could. The Federal Court in his state said it was still against the law. This is also an issue for the Democrats because efforts to tighten up voter fraud, by its nature, discriminates against poor people. For instance not everyone has whatever the state says is proof of residence: when I was living in Camp 4, I could not prove I lived anywhere. I had a drivers license, but it had my parent's address. So I had to drive to Fremont to vote--not that I remember voting.

Giving my personal opinion, these efforts are the principal reason I think the Republican party has gone to hell. There are lots of policy issues Republicans want that I don't agree with or am skeptical about--I could say the same for Democrats--but they are principled efforts to find solutions to issues. Disenfranchising voters is just un-American.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 26, 2017 - 10:25am PT
I guess that since I've never lived in 'Bama I have a hard time believing it is that hard to complete a voter registration form. I also have a hard time believing it is much of a problem, despite growing up in Chicago. ;-)
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Jan 26, 2017 - 10:31am PT
I guess that since I've never lived in 'Bama

I guess you could have just stopped right there
WyoRockMan

climber
Grizzlyville, WY
Jan 26, 2017 - 12:43pm PT
Roger Breedlove

climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
Jan 26, 2017 - 12:52pm PT
Reilly, the issue does not seem to be registration, contrary to the statistics Sun Cade is quoting. The issue seems to be proof of identity at the polling station.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 26, 2017 - 01:02pm PT
LET'S BE EXCRUCIATINGLY CLEAR - ANY TIME THE GOP UTTERS THE WORDS "VOTER FRAUD" WHAT THEY ACTUALLY MEAN IS WE NEED COVER AND AN EXCUSE TO CURTAIL MINORITY VOTING RIGHTS IN EVERY WAY IMAGINABLE. PERIOD.

THERE IS NO SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF VOTER FRAUD.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Jan 26, 2017 - 02:16pm PT
I wholeheartedly agree. In the extremely polarized political context over the last 15-20 years, people appear to be uninterested in general (at least at a national level - political parties and media) in trying to understand those with whom they disagree.

On a personal day-to-day level, any effort to better understand where other people around you are coming from (to "put yourself in their shoes") just makes life easier, or at the least much less frustrating.

I understand that there is lot of frustration and anger.

And what does understanding them get you on a policy level? I still have family in Trump country. If they believe that the climate isn't changing. That they will have better health insurance after R's repeal Obamacare (some of them currently qualify for subsidies). That tax cuts for billionares is somehow going to improve their lot. That getting into a trade war is somehow going to create good paying jobs in their rural communities.

If someone claims that smoking doesn't cause cancer, should I politely engage them? Try to argue against their "alternative facts"?

That frustration and anger can be manipulated by populists politicians.

Should Dem's give up on wonkish policy? Just go with the Bernie, "you can have lots of free stuff and nobody has to pay for it" populist approach???
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Feb 2, 2017 - 10:36pm PT
would some'dy please think of her chilluns?
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 3, 2017 - 03:41am PT
Can't, they all died in the 'Bowling Green Massacre'...
clinker

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Feb 3, 2017 - 06:36am PT
(CNN)South Dakota Republicans on Thursday repealed a historic anti-corruption law approved by voters in a statewide referendum on Election Day.

The measure, which passed with more than 51% backing in November, would have created an independent ethics commission, limited lobbyist gifts to lawmakers, banned officials from joining lobbying firms for two years after leaving office and created so-called "Democracy vouchers" for registered voters to steer toward their preferred candidates.
But state GOP lawmakers said they didn't think voters knew what they were doing.
Gov. Dennis Daugaard, a Republican, signed the repeal bill on Thursday night. In a budget address delivered after the November referendum, he claimed the public had been "hoodwinked by scam artists who grossly misrepresented these proposed measures."
Republican legislators pushed the bill using an "emergency" clause that allows for the reversal to take effect immediately and now prevents voters from initiating a new referendum campaign in response.

Politicians protecting we the(easily hoodwinked) people from scam artists.
dirtbag

climber
Feb 3, 2017 - 06:54am PT
LET'S BE EXCRUCIATINGLY CLEAR - ANY TIME THE GOP UTTERS THE WORDS "VOTER FRAUD" WHAT THEY ACTUALLY MEAN IS WE NEED COVER AND AN EXCUSE TO CURTAIL MINORITY VOTING RIGHTS IN EVERY WAY IMAGINABLE. PERIOD.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Feb 3, 2017 - 07:13am PT
KAC should get some sleep-her brain is addled.


She needs more than sleep. Maybe joining AA would help.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Feb 3, 2017 - 07:19am PT
what's most disturbing is when Kellyanne Conjob uttered the words "alternative facts" there were, and still are, a buttload of dupes that believe(d) there's such a thing. Seriously, if you really believe there's such a thing as #altfacts please put a gun to your head and remove yourself from the gene pool. You're not needed on this planet.

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 3, 2017 - 07:30am PT
Nature, I told you, it's Kellyanne Boozelizard...
c wilmot

climber
Feb 3, 2017 - 07:34am PT
You people have been fed alternative facts for years. It's laughable that you now think you have it figured out
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Feb 3, 2017 - 07:39am PT
ConLizard?

BoozeJob?
dirtbag

climber
Feb 3, 2017 - 07:43am PT
She needs more than sleep. Maybe joining AA would help.


Problem is, her schtick works.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 3, 2017 - 07:55am PT
Bernie vs. Cruz? A debate between two people who helped get us where we are today - I think I'll pass.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Feb 3, 2017 - 08:03am PT
I'm retracting this comment but leaving it here since some read/responded. in place my longer post below.

you mean the ones that had their heads so far up Hillary's ass they couldn't see how bad of an idea she was?
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