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rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 8, 2016 - 09:12am PT
Me likes what Moosedrool said but as Reilly states , i think it's going to be hard to collect 3 million guns... MLM....Moose Lives Matter
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 8, 2016 - 09:14am PT


4. Confiscate the guns. For the sake of both, the law enforcement and the general public (including the criminals).

People here often criticize Europe; it's a mess, the economy is bad, they are free loaders, etc. The truth is, we should learn from them. The police is not afraid of the citizens because they are unarmed. People don't take it to the streets because they are comfortable with their income. People are happy because they have healthcare and long vacations.

The culture of greed and violence is no good for anybody.

Moose

+1, but Reilly is correct. We need to keep our guns to fight off the gubment.
Confiscating 300 million guns is like trying to deport 11 million Mexicans.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 8, 2016 - 09:18am PT
We don't need to confiscate them we just need to actually track and make people responsible for them.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jul 8, 2016 - 09:20am PT
One word for gun control.....smart chips....
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jul 8, 2016 - 09:21am PT
Some classes of arms need to be off the street, illegal to possess or transfer, and that needs to accompanied by a mandatory buyback program. The rest need to be titled, registered, licensed and insured.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 8, 2016 - 09:30am PT
Most murders are with handguns even if many of the flashiest events are with rapid fire rifles.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jul 8, 2016 - 09:38am PT
Another gun thread? Oh goodie.

Can we just cut n' paste from the 400 other threads?

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 8, 2016 - 09:39am PT
BLM posted a statement about the Dallas shooting:
The Black Lives Matter Network advocates for dignity, justice, and respect.

In the last few days, this country witnessed the recorded murders of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile at the hands of police, the latest victims in this country’s failed policing system. As we have done for decades, we marched and protested to highlight the urgent need to transform policing in America, to call for justice, transparency and accountability, and to demand that Black Lives Matter.

In Dallas, many gathered to do the same, joining in a day of action with friends, family, and co-workers. Their efforts were cut short when a lone gunman targeted and attacked 11 police officers, killing five. This is a tragedy–both for those who have been impacted by yesterday’s attack and for our democracy. There are some who would use these events to stifle a movement for change and quicken the demise of a vibrant discourse on the human rights of Black Americans. We should reject all of this.

Black activists have raised the call for an end to violence, not an escalation of it. Yesterday’s attack was the result of the actions of a lone gunman. To assign the actions of one person to an entire movement is dangerous and irresponsible. We continue our efforts to bring about a better world for all of us.
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Jul 8, 2016 - 09:45am PT
The killing of police officers in Dallas is an act of war.
Anybody that believes differently needs to look up the term.
Law enforcement will see this as such and act accordingly.
That's the way the system works.

What the snipers accomplished by these murders was to escalate the violence and cause even more distrust by white officers when approaching black subjects.

Attempting to control the actions of law enforcement or the military through acts of violence will receive an obvious response.





HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 8, 2016 - 09:53am PT
pud posted
The killing of police officers in Dallas is an act of war.

Challenge accepted

(4) the term “act of war” means any act occurring in the course of—
(A) declared war;
(B) armed conflict, whether or not war has been declared, between two or more nations; or
(C) armed conflict between military forces of any origin;

This was not an act of war, it was an act of selfish, murderous d#@&%ebaggery.
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Jul 8, 2016 - 09:54am PT
Not exactly on topic, but yesterday after seeing the video of the Minnesota murder I downloaded an ACLU app to my cellphone. Its for recording and witnessing police conduct. Being white, my chances of being shot by police are less than the black populace, but it may come in handy for something I see.

The day before there was a couple hour standoff on Market St. here in SF with a guy facedown on the sidewalk with his hands in his pockets. It was on my daily commute route. There were at least a hundred cops on the scene, and they did their best to not kill the suspect and avoid a riot.

There are a series of these cellphone apps, depending on the state you live in:
https://www.aclu.org/feature/aclu-apps-record-police-conduct
jonnyrig

climber
Jul 8, 2016 - 09:56am PT


Lets call it a poorly worded, hastily written statement that did not effectively convey my intended thought.

I am, however, making an assumption that the attack on police is connected and/or driven by the two recent shootings. At this point I think I'll wait and see what details come to light. Dont want to be ignorant, you know.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 8, 2016 - 09:57am PT
The killing of police officers in Dallas is an act of war.

What war?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jul 8, 2016 - 09:59am PT
Moose, did you read that article? I didn't think so.
I know you like to think you're a science type.
Look up Sam Harris, the author.
I trust his BA in philosophy from Standord and his
PhD in Neuroscience from UCLA is up to your standards.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Harris
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 8, 2016 - 09:59am PT
Jonny, these protests have been happening for years. Years and years and years. They got more intense and widespread after Ferguson. In what world are you able to conclude that these protests just FINALLY happened because of the 2 most recent killings?
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 8, 2016 - 10:00am PT
Ill give Obama credit on one thing CHANGE..
He sure has changed the country for the worst..
jonnyrig

climber
Jul 8, 2016 - 10:02am PT
As I said, hastily and poorly written statement. Although I guess it gives you a bone to chew on. Enjoy.

How many cops killed in this manner over Ferguson?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 8, 2016 - 10:08am PT
What are you trying to get at exactly?
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jul 8, 2016 - 10:11am PT
And now for the REST OF THE STORY that millions with an agenda INCLUDING the POTUS and the DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE will NOT talk about!!!!!

"A felon with a rap sheet 46 pages long, Alton Sterling is hardly the innocent victim that the race-baiting, narrative-hungry media portrays him to be, and the weapon he had upon him at the time was clearly illegally possessed."

That rap sheet also includes convictions for beating up and violently sexually assaulting defenseless underage girls.



Edit for the liberals protecting the status ur sick..
Sheriff David Clarke: President Obama uses his words irresponsibly and it fuels anger towards police in this country
John M

climber
Jul 8, 2016 - 10:21am PT
Here is president Obama's statement after the Alton Sterling and Philando Castille shootings.


All Americans should be deeply troubled by the fatal shootings of Alton Sterling in Baton Rouge, Louisiana and Philando Castile in Falcon Heights, Minnesota. We've seen such tragedies far too many times, and our hearts go out to the families and communities who've suffered such a painful loss.

Although I am constrained in commenting on the particular facts of these cases, I am encouraged that the U.S. Department of Justice has opened a civil rights investigation in Baton Rouge, and I have full confidence in their professionalism and their ability to conduct a thoughtful, thorough, and fair inquiry.

But regardless of the outcome of such investigations, what's clear is that these fatal shootings are not isolated incidents. They are symptomatic of the broader challenges within our criminal justice system, the racial disparities that appear across the system year after year, and the resulting lack of trust that exists between law enforcement and too many of the communities they serve.

To admit we've got a serious problem in no way contradicts our respect and appreciation for the vast majority of police officers who put their lives on the line to protect us every single day. It is to say that, as a nation, we can and must do better to institute the best practices that reduce the appearance or reality of racial bias in law enforcement.

That's why, two years ago, I set up a Task Force on 21st Century Policing that convened police officers, community leaders, and activists. Together, they came up with detailed recommendations on how to improve community policing. So even as officials continue to look into this week's tragic shootings, we also need communities to address the underlying fissures that lead to these incidents, and to implement those ideas that can make a difference. That's how we'll keep our communities safe. And that's how we can start restoring confidence that all people in this great nation are equal before the law.

In the meantime, all Americans should recognize the anger, frustration, and grief that so many Americans are feeling -- feelings that are being expressed in peaceful protests and vigils. Michelle and I share those feelings. Rather than fall into a predictable pattern of division and political posturing, let's reflect on what we can do better. Let's come together as a nation, and keep faith with one another, in order to ensure a future where all of our children know that their lives matter.


Pyro.. can you please show me where he is inciting to violence against police?
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