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dikhed
climber
State of fugue and disbelief
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It's gone now and I couldn't save it but what exactly is that Tough Mudder Banner ad advertising? Going hard together? With the look on that guy's face it had to be intentional. NTTIAWWT
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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I like prolly. Short, and still does the job of probably. Everyone knows what it means.
I think we should go with nitly instead of definitely (defiantly, definately, definatly, definantly, definetly, definently, etc.)
And of course I don't see the point in saying Saturday night when Saturnight works just fine.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Do you think Happiegirl can sew up a tricked out bag to hold my Mad Max chopped and channeled side-by-side 12 gauge?
Never know when the Mohawk and Mullet Tribe might attack.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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I'm not a gun nut, so I'm sure there's lots of people here who know a lot more than me. But then they'll probably tell you to buy more than you need $ wise and caliber wise.
Some things I learned.
Only certain guns are available to non law enforcement in CA. So as mentioned visit your friendly neighborhood gun store to see what you can actually get. You know the building with the Trump campaign sign.
9mm is a good caliber. Enough stopping power without being too expensive to shoot for fun.
Check you local regs. I can shoot in my county as long as I'm 300 feet? something like that, away from neighbors houses. So I can shoot on my own property. Just like climbing if you don't do it for a year or more you'll get rusty.
Lots of good options. One I like is the Smith & Wesson M&P SHIELD. Law enforcement uses them a lot. You can put an extended magazine grip on it for four full fingers, or a shorty to make it smaller/lighter/more concealed.
If you want to spend more money Springfield, Walther, Heckler and Koch, Glock and make good options.
Some Rugers are lighter and cheaper.
The Bersa Thunder .380 is a copy of the old Walther PPK. Inexpensive but good. .380 isn't as powerful, but lighter and cheaper. As a plus you get to pretend you are Jame Bong.
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F
climber
away from the ground
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It depends on whether you want to kill animals and leave their bodies to rot in the sun, or if you are just looking for a straight up penile compensatory device.
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couchmaster
climber
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I wouldn't have to step up here if Piton Ron was doing his job. Where's he get off too anyway?
To Dingus: maybe you don't need to be carrying a gun? Sack up and practice some martial arts? Go get in some street fights to hone yer skillz. Jesus, pussy:-) . Besides, as a Californian I believe they will lock you up in jail if you buy one. So there is that. Just kidding, but I suggest a gun lock for sure if or when you get one. The bigger the size of the pistol the more accurate it is, the smaller the size, the easier to conceal and accuracy goes away.
Big: P226 in 9mm (they also come in .40) is an excellent choice. If you can get a West German model, you'll also have a piece of history. The usual config for this is DA/SA, which means that the first shot will have a stiff trigger pull, much like a revolver, and thereafter the lbs to pull the trigger will ease substantially.
Small: Ruger LP. There's better choices, but this is the most popular.
Jan: in my mind you don't want a pistol, you want a 12 ga pump shotgun. Either a Remington 870 or Mossberg 500/590 shotgun. If Remington, I'd suggest a "police" or Wingmaster" model as they are both more reliable than current 870s. A shotgun is actually cheaper to buy ($300-$400) than a P226 ($500-$1200) but shells/ammo cost more. Next, without firing it a shotgun is more effective. If you are in this remote cabin alone and someone is rattling your door knob late at night or otherwise being obnoxious, a quick but loud pump of a shotgun in the still of the night will be a strong message that you are not going to put up with any bullshit that they are bringing your way. No woman should ever be in fear from some dumbass and this is a great equalizer I'd suggest. Here's a lot more info: http://thewellarmedwoman.com/shotgun-basics
The Well Armed Woman suggests a youth size 20 ga for women, and that may be great advice but for my mind, 12 ga is close to the same kick, but easier to find ammo for. As I'm not you and we're all different, I'd check out what works for you and use both the 12 and 20ga first. The variety of ammo for both 12 and 20 ga is stunning, and as a "man stopper" it gets debated all day long what works best, but any kind of Buckshot will do the trick. 00 (as you know but saying here for others, it's pronounced double ought) is most prevalent. If you get a short configuration like something Arnold was carrying in Terminator, I'd suggest getting a Knoxx SpecOps Recoil-Reducing Stock so you don't get hurt.
This is the same shotgun below but with differing stocks:
The lower version is sh#t hard to work without pain unless you get the shoulder stock down quick or just get the Knoxx stock I noted above. That can be mitigated a tad with less powerful tactical or low power ammo. NOTE ONE THING, I was teasing Dingus above, but I believe (Not sure as I don't live there) I believe that the lower shotgun version, with the pistol grip, may be illegal in Ca, and if you have one, you will be a criminal. Not kidding, and despite what anti-gunners say, the laws for guns are many and complex, make sure you know them all wherever this cabin is.
No matter what anyone chooses, and walking around disarmed is what I usually do but I don't blame or criticize those who arm themselves, you will need new knowledge about the laws and also practice practice and more practice. The link I posted above "The Well Armed Woman", suggests taking a course. That is excellent advice, and they can also let you try several variations as well before you commit to buying.
Gratuitous climbing/shooting pics: this is a Vepr 12 semiauto, the Russian AK-47 shotgun essentially. This is a semi-auto that the link above notes (there are many brands and configurations of such) Magnificent shotguns and super fun, you can stuff a couple into a Fish brand haul bag along with all yer climbing sh#t. These are pics of my son at 2 different climbing areas. He's a much better shot that me:-( At the time we were heading out there, pretty much only me had been going to these spots. The upper one is still good to go but the lower one maybe getting too many people now. Last time I went there there was another party climbing, so the shooting part of the day needs to stay home or be elsewhere now.
Italian made Over-under.
That particular model of haul bag, an excellent product, can be bought here from a couple who really know their climbing stuff: http://www.fishproducts.com/
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Pennsylenvy
Gym climber
A dingy corner in your refrigerator
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I believe to be a balanced mix of conservative/liberal, hillbillie/cosmopolitan (as long as the city isn't bigger then Flagstaff), gun nut / knot gun nut ........you get it .
So....road tripping with wife whom was the victim of the most brutal rape situation one could imagine (it's OK for me to write this because she was/is an advocate for victims publicly speaking up if possible), we were camped in Northern Mexico : that night the local fuk tards decided to play late night circle the wagons with us. Seriously, what is one in my position to do????? Well I did the only thing I could, and that was to sit there and be quiet in my van with my lady. Mind you I wouold have died in her self defense had it come down to it NO doubt. However it put me in a place to wonder how to A) Protect the one I love, or at least have some sort of semblance (false security?) of doing so. B) Protect my 'ego' and right to be somewhere without stupid punks in big trucks intimidating me. THEY rode up the road and I wondered if it was over, but they came back for more 'fun' later. I'm sure they are cowards, because they are the only kind of people who do things like this.
Anyways, that incident got me to thinking about my right to carry. I'm 'gentrified redneck' as anyone who knows me would attest, so I have no capability problems using proficiently pistols, rifles and shotguns. I have a friend who carries an assault shotgun with the first round basically birdshot (wounding) followed by 02 buckshot for a couple and then at the tail end of the chamber slug rounds. I thought about that gun and it's just too bulky, awkward etc. Mind you if I had pointed it at the above mentioned New Mexico fuk tards I'm sure it would have garnered attention. I investigated pistols and went to the local gun nut store where they had the perfect Ruger 45 semi 9 mill or something for around $350.
I dint buy the gun because I believe guns can escalate a situation just by their presence. My hippy friend suggested just buying a baseball bat. I saw one a couple days later ( which was obviously long retired from baseball satus and used for security @ goodwill) for $2 and decided that was good for now.
I think the question this post brings up is the reality of some situations where being armed might be a REAL good idea out in the hinterlands. I haven't figured it out completely just yet .........carry on and watch out when your in Northern New Mexico for reals
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Over the years I have come to realize that there are aspects of life that many people believe they are born with an innate ability and need no training or advice from anyone.
I call it the F's & D's; fighting, f u c k i n g , firearms, dog training and driving.
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Didn't read thru the whole thread but Atchafalaya recommended the one my resident expert also recommends:
Smith & Wesson M&P (military and police) Shield compact 9 mil (compact rather than the full size which they also make).
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Italian made Over-under.
**PERAZZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!*
Sorry, the volume of an adjacent track was so loud, it bled over into this track.
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couchmaster
climber
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Pennsylvanian. Thats rough man. Real bad. Mexico has all but eliminated guns from their population. It's almost impossible to own one if you are a regular citizen not paying the .gov as#@&%es. A long permit process that is normally ended with you on a corrupt government watch list after they turn you down. So the only armed people are police and criminals. Unfortunately, the police prey on the population, often kidnapping and raping innocents. They are usually bigger criminals than the criminals. A fw years back millions protested against the police in Mexico City: claiming that they were the ones doing most of the kidnappings. Jesus, what a f*#ked up place. May we never have that here. Sorry for you both, may you both mentally recover and make a difference here. New Mexico?
Quote: "So....road tripping with wife whom was the victim of the most brutal rape situation one could imagine (it's OK for me to write this because she was/is an advocate for victims publicly speaking up if possible), we were camped in Northern Mexico : that night the local fuk tards decided to play late night circle the wagons with us. Seriously, what is one in my position to do????? Well I did the only thing I could, and that was to sit there and be quiet in my van with my lady. Mind you I wouold have died in her self defense had it come down to it NO doubt. However it put me in a place to wonder how to A) Protect the one I love, or at least have some sort of semblance (false security?) of doing so. B) Protect my 'ego' and right to be somewhere without stupid punks in big trucks intimidating me. THEY rode up the road and I wondered if it was over, but they came back for more 'fun' later. I'm sure they are cowards, because they are the only kind of people who do things like this. "
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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It is double-action/single-action (DA/SA), with a decocking lever instead of a safety lever. You charge the breech, and then decock and drop the hammer. A long DA pull on the trigger fires the first shot, and then it fires with shorter SA pulls after that.
I totally agree with that functional configuration. Mine is an HK P30 .40, and it shoots like a dream with superb accuracy and low recoil. It's easy to strip, and .40 ammo is reasonably priced. And the DA pull is smooth and releases crisply. The SA second shot is a dream. Very nice. HK is pricey, though.
I'm a big hammer-gun fan rather than striker-fired (to each his own). I like glancing at the gun and knowing exactly what state it's in. With a full mag and one in the pipe, I've got 14 rounds. Hammer down, just waiting for safety-off and DA pull.
Yes, external lever-safety (many will not like the "extra step"). This complies with Utah's (and other states') "two mechanical actions" law, if you're going to carry with one in the pipe. And I've trained to have muscle memory at getting that safety off during the draw, so it doesn't add much to the bullet-release time. But with the safety on and the hammer down (the decocker is the way to go!), the gun is essentially impossible to negligently fire; it's as safe as a loaded gun can be.
The debate about 9mm, .40, and .45 rages endlessly. I shot various and settled on the .40 as the best compromise between rounds available and foot-pounds of delivered energy (165 grain JHP). Everybody has their ax to grind on that score. And my wife easily handles the recoil (with even better accuracy than me; grrrrr).
I'm happy with my choice, and I agree very much with Tom's "take" on the best overall functional configuration.
A final point is "best practices." I highly recommend the laser strike training kit. You insert the laser into the barrel, and then you "fire" the gun like normal (you do have to recock between "shots"). After each hammer-fall, you'll get a two-second laser dot where your "shot" would have hit.
Because everything about where a bullet will hit occurs before the bullet leaves the barrel and there is any felt recoil, you develop good shooting habits and excellent muscle memory, both of which contribute greatly to accuracy. Then, when you shoot live rounds (which are costly), you'll see the reality of your laser training.
I've reached the point that I can draw and "shoot" an outlet-plate-sized "target" from 25+ feet away without aiming; just draw and fire, and the dot hits the outlet-plate on the wall. And I've seen this no-aim accuracy extend to live rounds.
It's quite expensive to get there by expending live rounds. So, the laser strike will maximize your training without the expense of tons of live rounds! There is, of course, no substitute for live rounds; the laser strike is not a "replacement" for ALL live firing. But it will be a huge addition to your training and greatly benefit your live-round time.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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I use to carry a 9mm but found that a skip-tooth 32 inch bar chain saw is the best way to disarm an attacker...
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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I wonder how much line he's going to let just spool right out?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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It's too late to cut bait, he's gotta fish now.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Once you pick out a weapon you gotta figger out how you are gonna carry that loaded pistol. Logical place would be in the top pouch of your backpack, right behind your head.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Be a man
That's what I thought, until I met that white bear. Phuk that.
Pepper spray? That's a condiment.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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we were camped in Northern Mexico
Understand that if you have a gun in your possession, you are now the "illegal alien" that is running a gun past international boundaries, and both you AND YOUR WIFE may spend 20 years at hard labor (and not together).
Crossing into foreign countries with firearms is a serious legal violation in all counties I'm aware of.
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